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Sportskraz

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Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« on: June 11, 2008, 04:45:35 AM »
BrunsRico said that Rough buff "is extremely close, worked up properly, to a brand new piece of 4000 Abralon."  Does the OOB rough buff finish provide some advantage over cover the same ball at 4000 using a fresh pad (and worked up to that grit level)?  I am just trying to figure out why Brunswick went the Rough Buff route and not the 4000 route (fury peal being the exception) with most of their balls.  Also, has anyone tried using rough buff on any non Brunswick balls?
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Re: Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 01:02:39 PM »
I have. You must look closely at what Rick is saying. If worked up properly leaves a lot of space for error. What grit do you start the application at? 220, 500, 800, 1000? How much pressure do you apply when applying the rough buff? How long?

If you do not have time to experiment, use the abralon pad to the grit that you are looking for. Consistent application of Rough Buff by spinner is tricky at best.

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Re: Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 01:20:55 PM »
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I have. You must look closely at what Rick is saying. If worked up properly leaves a lot of space for error. What grit do you start the application at? 220, 500, 800, 1000? How much pressure do you apply when applying the rough buff? How long?

If you do not have time to experiment, use the abralon pad to the grit that you are looking for. Consistent application of Rough Buff by spinner is tricky at best.

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Edited on 6/11/2008 1:03 PM


I have always used brunswicks' recommendation and started at 220 and used my spinner and I agree it is almost impossible to get a ball back to completely OOB shape.  My question is though Why did brunswick decide on rough buff?  It must have some advantage over plan old 4000 and I basically want to know what that advantage is.  It could be as simple as being able to sell one more product but who knows
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Re: Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 01:26:19 PM »
I use Rough Buff on top of 1000 abralon to refinish my Storm balls back to 1500 polished.  Works perfect.

Rough buff on top of a 220 grit base is between 2000 and 4000 in my experience.  

I can get a little earlier reaction with 2000 or more length with 4000 compared to Brunswicks box 220/RB finish.

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Re: Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 01:45:44 PM »
Even though 4.000 and RB look closely the same, I am sure the surface texture and the "bite" the ball has on the lane is different. RB is a rubbing compound, a fluid that evens out the "valleys" of the surface very well. An Abralon pad is a rigid abrasive that leaves directional lines - and it creates IMO much more and earlier friction than RB on 220 grit sanded. That's also to be kept in mind when using RB or other compounds - the basic grit has a lot of influence on the result.
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Re: Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2008, 05:56:13 AM »
I'm suprised that Rough Buff is close to a 4000 grit Abralon finish. This, because the base grit is so far of the end result.

For example.Storm step#2 compound, which leaves the surface at 1500 grit,needs a base grit of 320. But the guidelines that come with the ball say that you need a 600 grit base.

My guess was that it could be compared to 1000-1200 grit with light polish, not 4000.
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Re: Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2008, 06:37:10 AM »
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I have always used brunswicks' recommendation and started at 220 and used my spinner and I agree it is almost impossible to get a ball back to completely OOB shape.  My question is though Why did brunswick decide on rough buff?  It must have some advantage over plan old 4000 and I basically want to know what that advantage is.  It could be as simple as being able to sell one more product but who knows


No, I doubt if it's that simple, since they are now using 4000 grit Abralon as the finish on some balls.

As to why, only they know for sure and I seriously doubt they will tell you.

Remember, since they use machines and not humans to do this step, it is very easy for them to use RB very consistently.

Dizzy,
By the way, I don't agree with you 100% as to 4000 grit finish being earlier than a RB finish. WHen humans do it, the finish may not that different. Humans will not always smooth out those 220 grit (very deep relatively speaking) lines and it's just as easy to use too much for too long and get almost a polished look and feel to the ball. On the other hand, even when I was super-careful, I have, at times, gotten almost a polished appearance to balls when I applied 4000 grit Abralon to it.

This is all a balancing act and it can be tricky at times. I can't tell you the number of times I wanted to do a ball over completely because I was not happy/satisfied with the final appearance. Sometimes those Abralon pads are more worn than you realized and you almost glaze a ball instead of sanding it.

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Re: Rough Buff vs Fresh 4000 Pad
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2008, 11:35:46 AM »
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Sometimes those Abralon pads are more worn than you realized and you almost glaze a ball instead of sanding it.
 


Amen: I used a 500 Abralon pad one too many times last week, and I ended up doing the ball over.
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