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LuckyLefty

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Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« on: May 09, 2003, 02:26:06 PM »
All year they could have called me dial a corner!!!!
 
Ring Ring 7 pin come in please.

Not weak ones either!!  Ring Ring.  9 hurtin' pins time after time.

I had started sanding everything with the track.
According to Revolutions II this gives one plenty of length and a strong backend.
SAnding with the track induces length and then once ball turns the sanding pattern  is against the path of the ball and backend is increased.
This is very exciting if you like to see 9 pins flying all over god's creation, leaving one standing in the midst of the wreckage.

My ball driller recently reminded me that when I had more pins fall down HE sanded my stuff crosshatch. With the track and then accross the track.

This starts the ball earlier and still provides good backend.  The idea being that the cross sanding starts the ball earlier and the with the track increases backend.

I tried this again yesterday and loved the shot, moved my breakpoint earlier in the typical sloppy stuff at the breakpoint at my house(Recently renamed To Sloppy Shotty Lanes).  It move the breakpoint what looked like 3 feet earlier and still had a lot of hit in the carrydown.  Nice!

I've also read and once tried that sanding cross track only leads to an earlier move and less backend.

To summarize.
With the track = more length more backend
Crosshatch = less length still big backend.
Against track = less length less backend

Don't forget these things in pursuit of breakpoint control.  I had.
Naturally grit determines the effectiveness in relation to volume of oil!

REGards,

Luckylefty
REgards,

Luckylefty
PS more to come.



Edited on 5/10/2003 6:15 AM
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BT

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2003, 06:46:13 AM »
Lucky-
Not sure if you are trying to help us or jinx us.

I have been fooling around with this theory myself. I agree with you on the reactions you will get from with or against the track (initial track). Only added method I would include is sanding ON the bowtie. In other words set the ball into the spinner with the bowtie centered at the top of the ball. This provides the most aggressive early reaction and, the most controlled arc.

This brings up something that has been bothering me regarding surface grits. I have found that the coarser the ending finish the more initial change I see but then as I bowl the ball becomes buffed back down to some finer surface grit by the friction on the lane. So, the question is, whats the sense of sanding a ball to anything coarser than say 600? This is espescially evident to me with my Colossus Supreme which seems to have a very soft cover on it. If I sand this ball to even 800, after the FIRST throw I inspect it and, find the tracks are worn down already. So as the ball is used it will slowly loose the initial changes in reaction from the sanding. Used a maroon scotchbrite on my V2 Particle ball one night just prior to league play and, the thing would hook like crazy the first 3 shots then change reaction drastically after that. I have since stayed away from any major surface changes just before league starts.

Another method not talked about much here is sanding with a coarse grit and, then going to a much finer grit immediately after that. Havent played with this much but want to experiment with this. Any ideas on that subject?

BT

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2003, 08:02:45 AM »
Jinx???

Um, most sanders start at coarse and go up to final grit.

I sanded a Pro Zone Azure to 320 and it held for several sets.

Made me look like the biggest handed bowler on a Bad a__ oiled shot while others couldn't make a wrinkle.  Cool.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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BT

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2003, 08:18:55 AM »
Understand the reasoning for progressively going up in grit. What I was getting at is intentionally leaving the coarse sanding scrathes in the ball by polishing the tops down like the lanes will do. My idea was to make the ball more consistent right off after sanding.

I guess it depends on the hardness of the balls cover as to how long it will hold a coarse sanding. My driller told me a story about somewhere where he used to bowl that was occasionally a total flood. He said he kept a ball with him sanded to 60 GRIT in case it happened to be that way. So much for oiling protecting those lanes.

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2003, 02:27:07 PM »
this is a very important and interesting topic. the majority of bowlers do not even think about changing the coverstock on a particular ball----they assume the factory finish is "good enough". you will notice the biggest change in ball reaction with different types of coverstock alteration.

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2004, 07:37:22 AM »
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BT      Posted: 5/10/2003 6:46 AM


Lucky-
Not sure if you are trying to help us or jinx us.
I have been fooling around with this theory myself. I agree with you on the reactions you will get from with or against the track (initial track). Only added method I would include is sanding ON the bowtie. In other words set the ball into the spinner with the bowtie centered at the top of the ball. This provides the most aggressive early reaction and, the most controlled arc.
This brings up something that has been bothering me regarding surface grits. I have found that the coarser the ending finish the more initial change I see but then as I bowl the ball becomes buffed back down to some finer surface grit by the friction on the lane. So, the question is, whats the sense of sanding a ball to anything coarser than say 600? This is espescially evident to me with my Colossus Supreme which seems to have a very soft cover on it. If I sand this ball to even 800, after the FIRST throw I inspect it and, find the tracks are worn down already. So as the ball is used it will slowly loose the initial changes in reaction from the sanding. Used a maroon scotchbrite on my V2 Particle ball one night just prior to league play and, the thing would hook like crazy the first 3 shots then change reaction drastically after that. I have since stayed away from any major surface changes just before league starts.
Another method not talked about much here is sanding with a coarse grit and, then going to a much finer grit immediately after that. Havent played with this much but want to experiment with this. Any ideas on that subject?
BT


LuckyLefty    Posted: 5/10/2003 8:02 AM  


Jinx???
Um, most sanders start at coarse and go up to final grit.
I sanded a Pro Zone Azure to 320 and it held for several sets.
Made me look like the biggest handed bowler on a Bad a__ oiled shot while others couldn't make a wrinkle. Cool.
REgards,
Luckylefty

BT   Posted: 5/10/2003 8:18 AM  


Understand the reasoning for progressively going up in grit. What I was getting at is intentionally leaving the coarse sanding scrathes in the ball by polishing the tops down like the lanes will do. My idea was to make the ball more consistent right off after sanding.
I guess it depends on the hardness of the balls cover as to how long it will hold a coarse sanding. My driller told me a story about somewhere where he used to bowl that was occasionally a total flood. He said he kept a ball with him sanded to 60 GRIT in case it happened to be that way. So much for oiling protecting those lanes.

Greg Hoppe     Posted: 5/10/2003 2:27 PM


this is a very important and interesting topic. the majority of bowlers do not even think about changing the coverstock on a particular ball----they assume the factory finish is "good enough". you will notice the biggest change in ball reaction with different types of coverstock alteration.






Edited on 11/5/2004 8:42 AM

BigHorhn

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2004, 09:27:17 AM »
Can this Crosshatch sanding be done by hand or only with a spinner? Thanks

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2004, 05:12:36 PM »
FASTER, more EVEN with a spinner but COULD be done by hand.  But REMEMBER, the ENTIRE ball has to be done, NOT just the track.
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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2004, 09:59:54 AM »
I've found that;

Sanding along the first track works great on carrydown. length with stong backend. Too much backend on fresh condition.

Sanding on bowtie (bowtie is axis on spinner) works on floods and long oil. Strong arc all the way but may hook-out or roll-out with weak hands and slow ball speed.

Crosshatch sanding works in most general conditions.



Grits above 600 grit gets more length and visi-versa.

Polish  adds more length to sanding grit.

Without polish ball absorbs a lot of lane oil.

All finish will end up as 600 after a few games depending on bowlers revs and speed.

Heavy load particles are impossible to get a gloss finish.

Low load particles works like resin or heavy load particle depending on finished sanding or scotch-brite grit and can be polished to gloss finish.

Just my findings. Open for discussion.



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Edited on 11/7/2004 11:01 AM

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Re: Sanding technique- hey I forgot this!!
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2004, 11:09:45 PM »
Thanks to you guys.. prepped my 2 year old savage pearl with with scotchbrite along the track.. got the front nine..

PS: baiki.. been too long..how are things..
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