Post by: voidkid89 on September 20, 2003, 08:33:25 AM
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well if you leave a 5 pin it's a strike in germany
Post by: imjouster on September 20, 2003, 11:51:41 PM
hope this helps
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 21, 2003, 12:01:19 AM
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3M Scotch Brite:
7445 - White pad, called Light Duty Cleansing - 1200-1500 grit
7448 - Light Grey, called Ultra Fine Hand - 1000 grit.
7447 - Maroon pad, called General Purpose Hand - 320 grit
6444 - Brown pad, called Extra Duty Hand - 240 grit
7446 - Dark Grey pad, called Blending Pad - 150 grit
Green Scotch Brite is available EVERYWHERE. It's 600 grit.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 21, 2003, 12:17:27 AM
When we refer to the term 'grit' we are talking about a standard that is used to grade the coarseness of sandpaper (or scotchbrite in this case). I believe I remember that it was explained that the 'grit' numbers mean the number of sandpaper particles that would pass through a measurement opening for a certain size (sorry I am so vague but I dont remember the exact sizes). So, the larger particles would only pass a smaller amount in that area, hence the coarser numbers are lower (lets say 100 = 100 particles in a square inch area) and since the smaller particles would allow a greater amount of particles in that same area, the larger numbers would equal a smoother cut (lets say 1000 = 1000 particles in a square inch area). But, we are using an American standard when we use those numbers. There is also a European standard and they use different numbers, so if voidkid89 is from Europe, our numbers might not mean anything to him.
Below are some of the topics that I found concerning scotchbrite so if you want to read the responses that go with them, you will have to set your Preferences to read back to the last year.
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=14552&ForumID=17&CategoryID=5
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=17849&ForumID=17&CategoryID=5
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=20380&ForumID=17&CategoryID=5
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=5&ForumID=17&TopicID=22992&PageNum=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=28520&ForumID=17&CategoryID=5
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=29029&ForumID=17&CategoryID=5
Hope this helps.
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Post by: charlest on September 21, 2003, 07:37:36 AM
Thank you; it's nice to be remembered in my failing old age.
You might want to add this bit of flotsam to the jetsam:
"Blue Scotch-Brite is considered to be about 800 grit."
This is a new one that's become generally available in the last 6-8 months.
I don't have a 3M stick number for it. It's a nice bright blue, however and quite unmistakeable.
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Post by: voidkid89 on September 21, 2003, 09:32:24 AM
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well if you leave a 5 pin it's a strike in germany
Post by: pnj1967 on September 21, 2003, 09:44:57 AM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: charlest on September 21, 2003, 11:00:05 AM
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how do you use the pads to change the grit???just scrub the ball with them???
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well if you leave a 5 pin it's a strike in germany
You really need a spinner to do anything approximating a decent job. By hand there's not much you can do except "crack the cover/shell".
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Post by: voidkid89 on September 21, 2003, 12:00:38 PM
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well if you leave a 5 pin it's a strike in germany
Post by: charlest on September 21, 2003, 12:50:14 PM
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so I don't have a spinner, and it can damage the ball if i do it by hand???
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well if you leave a 5 pin it's a strike in germany
You can damage it in the sense that it's almost impossible to do what might be called a good or even acceptable job by hand. It can't be truly even. Plus it can take a long time to do even an adjustment.
You will only truly be able to tell what a difference a spinner makes once you have one or access to one and do an adjustment with the spinner, versus having done one by hand. Once you do, you will wonder whatever were you thinking to have even tried to modify a cover with out a spinner; to be very polite about it, you will feel very silly, at the least.
At $150-200, if you're serious about bowling and buy 3-4 balls per year, it is equal to the cost of one good ball and will last many years.
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Post by: voidkid89 on September 21, 2003, 01:34:23 PM
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well if you leave a 5 pin it's a strike in germany
Post by: JohnP on September 21, 2003, 04:40:26 PM
Post by: charlest on September 21, 2003, 05:09:08 PM
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/store/entries/index_cleaning.html?L+scstore+mkyr9657ffb361b3+1093645339
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Post by: JohnP on September 21, 2003, 08:57:07 PM
Post by: charlest on September 21, 2003, 10:22:57 PM
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charlest -- Thanks for the link, I've bookmarked it for the next time I need pads. Do you know of a site that supplies a greater variety of pads? I have the four that WildOctopus handles - maroon, green, lt grey, and white - but would like to have the other grits they come in. -- JohnP
John,
The Blue is the only other one I'd bother to try to get. I found mine in a super-market store in the sponge and cleaners section. Haven't yet found it on a website.
FYI Jamestown doesn't carry the green, but you can't go into any store, hardware, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Home Depot, Lowe's, etc., without tripping over a green nylon pad.
Regarding others: I think you need to go to specialty stores to get them, unless a paint store might carry the very low grit dark grey pads, like the 180 grit.
For bowling, I've found the
Maroon: 320-400
Green: 600
Blue: 800
Grey: 1000
White: 1200-1500
to cover just about every base.
Personally, I prefer sandpaper for 1200, 1500 and 2000 grit or liquid sandpapers like Ebonite's Matte Finish.
The White nylon one hardly "sands" a ball at all. I have to press awfully hard to get any "sanding" done with a white one. I have just abot given up on using white ones.
And, unless you're re-surfacing a ball, I think you rarely need a rougher grit than the 320 - maroon.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on September 21, 2003, 10:45:56 PM
7440 -- 50 grit - heavy duty pad - Tan/Brown
7446 - 150 grit - blending pad - Gray
7447 - 400 grit - general purpose pad - Maroon
8447 - 600 grit - production pad - Maroon (different shade of maroon than 7447)
6448 - 800 grit - light duty - Dark Gray
7448 - 1000 grit- ultra fine - Light gray
7445 - 1200 grit- light duty - White
Some of the higher grit pads when rubbed with your fingers, feel coarser then the lower grit pads, but the numbers I have listed is what came off the box they are shipped in.
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Post by: JohnP on September 22, 2003, 02:48:55 PM
Brickguy221 -- I can't get the link you posted to work. I get the "This Page Cannot Be Displayed" message. Please recheck and repost if there's an error in it. I've tried deleting the "-" and adding another one between air and craft and neither worked. Thanks -- JohnP
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 22, 2003, 03:17:01 PM
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Brickguy221 -- I can't get the link you posted to work. I get the "This Page Cannot Be Displayed" message. Please recheck and repost if there's an error in it. I've tried deleting the "-" and adding another one between air and craft and neither worked.
I think you have to remove the comma he accidently put in after the .com
Try this:
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/
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Post by: JohnP on September 22, 2003, 05:39:43 PM
Post by: charlest on September 23, 2003, 04:41:50 PM
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charlest -- One good use for the white pads -- if you have customers that like a drilled thumb instead of an insert, you can cut a square of the white pad about 1 1/2", punch a hole in the middle of it and use it in your butterfly sander (add a small washer on both sides of the square) to make a drilled hole that is as smooth as an insert. -- JohnP
Not having sanded any butterflies lately, btu being a little bit of a woodworker, I wonder what you call a "butterfly sander"?
Is it what some call a "Bevel Sander" -
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/bm/tj/index.shtml#bevel-sander ???
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