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JessN16

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I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« on: March 29, 2008, 11:08:09 AM »
Just what the subject line says. Can't figure them out.

I had a Storm X-Factor Mission 35 that I sold, my Silver Streak SE is driving me nuts and I have a Roto Grip Epic Saga that I'm not really impressed with at the moment. Can't seem to make the right choices relative to the best setup.

I either don't understand hybrids at all or they're just not for me. Anyone have any insight?

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J_Mac

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Re: I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 07:14:22 PM »
Are they not fitting in your line up where you think they belong, or are you having issues finding an appropriate surface finish?
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JessN16

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Re: I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 07:20:31 PM »
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Are they not fitting in your line up where you think they belong, or are you having issues finding an appropriate surface finish?
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Can't get the surface finish right. In box condition, they're over/under monsters, far more so (for me) than straight-up pearls. Typically, they're too "under" until I slow my speed down just a stritch and then they jump left like they've been kicked.

If I take the polish off, even with a fine-grit pad, they start reading the lane too early -- or earlier than I believe they should, anyway.

I may not be explaining this well, but in box condition they tend to act like a very skittish pearl, but as soon as the box finish comes off, I might as well have bought a solid and polished it.

If there are performance characteristics that are specific to hybrids, I'm having a problem taking advantage of them.

Jess
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J_Mac

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Re: I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 07:24:29 PM »
What you're describing is exactly the trouble I had/have with my Toxic at one house I bowl at.  Have you tried changing the underlying grit when you polish them?
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JessN16

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Re: I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 07:40:34 PM »
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What you're describing is exactly the trouble I had/have with my Toxic at one house I bowl at.  Have you tried changing the underlying grit when you polish them?
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I need to learn more about polishes before I can answer that question honestly. I've used Track's Clean 'n Polish and Storm's Reacta Shine, but I don't know if either change the underlying grit.

I haven't polished a hybrid under 1000 grit, I can say that. Maybe I need to take them down even further, to 600, and then polish. Solids that are 600 plus polish tend to work for me pretty well.

Jess
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Re: I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2008, 11:19:40 AM »
When I want a ball to get through the front part of the lane, but still not skid forever, I go down to 2000 abaralon, then hit it with Ultimate's Quik Cut & Polish. It's more of a gritty mud-like compound. This puts more of a sheen on the ball, allowing it to clear the heads, but still can burn a little energy in the middle part of the lane.
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Re: I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2008, 11:27:05 AM »
My highest scores have come with hybrids. Most of them I take to 2000 abralon,
all with different drillings. Hybrids offer my the most "controlled" looks down the lane, when conditions are more challenging, and when you need the best of the pearl qualities (clean thru front), but handle carrydown a little better (better mid lane read). Some of my better hybrids are the Sure Fire and the new AMF Code is a definite keeper. My Secret Agent is a hybrid, with a bit of particle. When the lanes are real tough, that one is a good one to go to. I used to have a Vendetta hybrid that I sold to Axewelder, which I posted some huge numbers at a known drier, spottier house in the area. Just play with the covers a little.
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Re: I am having a helluva time with "hybrid" coverstocks...
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2008, 05:53:47 AM »
Surface prep is vital - and small changes in base grit can have tremendous effect on utility and performance. Juts like J-Mac suggests, I'd make sytematic experiments with different basic grits under the polish, trying it out and seeing what happens.

I had the case that a move from 1.000 base grit to 1.500 and finally 2.000 Abralon under some of my balls made a huge difference (for the good). It is time-consuming, but worth the effort - not only in order to exploit the current arsenal's potential, but also for the future and for your game in general.
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