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hhsbowler

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Mo Pinel Surface Recomendation
« on: September 03, 2008, 04:00:25 PM »
Hey guys, I recently attended a seminar held by Mo Pinel and one of the things that he talked about was the surface of a bowling ball.  One point he mentioned was he did not recomend applying polish to a bowling with an underlying surface grit of less than 2000. He went on to explain why, but I was hoping some on here could refresh my memory, and give me a better understanding of it.  

My understanding of it is the rougher the grit, the further and deeper the sand lines are from each other and making the surface less consistent??

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Re: Mo Pinel Surface Recomendation
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 08:27:57 AM »
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... Mo Pinel and .... the surface of a bowling ball. ... he did not recomend applying polish to a bowling with an underlying surface grit of less than 2000.


Kind of odd since a few of his balls do come with a shine: Mojave, Awesome Finish, Awesome Flip ....

As I see it intially -

In any case, I can understand about balls with grit less than 2000.
The first gri tlevel under 2000 grit is generally, of course, 1500 grit. For the most part, 1500 grit polished can be emulated by 4000 grit Abralon matte or dull. That is, left unpolished. Mo was one of the first to suggest that bowlers use 4000 Abralon in place of 1500 grit polished because one, they both handle the same amount of oil, in general, and, two, the 4000 Abralon ball will be smoother and handle more carrydown, have a tendency to smooth out wet/dry conditions and be more even and easier to control, while losing no hitting power.

If you needed more length, then that's when it's appropriate to sand the ball smoother (thus, 2000 grit, as a first step) and add polish to that grit level.

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Re: Mo Pinel Surface Recomendation
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 08:55:26 AM »
My friend and driller told me of a conversation he had with Mo. He told me Mo didn't really like the idea of putting anything on the surface of the ball. If you can't get there with sanding, you need to get there with core motion. This makes sense coming from a guy who designs great cores. This idea is the reason I bought the micro mesh pads. I was curious just how much length I could achieve without polish on dry lanes.
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charlest

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Re: Mo Pinel Surface Recomendation
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 10:27:01 AM »
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My friend and driller told me of a conversation he had with Mo. He told me Mo didn't really like the idea of putting anything on the surface of the ball. If you can't get there with sanding, you need to get there with core motion. This makes sense coming from a guy who designs great cores. This idea is the reason I bought the micro mesh pads. I was curious just how much length I could achieve without polish on dry lanes.


Try A Trizact white pad (cerium oxide). It's somewhere around 5000 grit US/CAMI. As a reference, 4000 grit Abralon is approx 2000 grit US/CAMI grade. The white pad is much smoother and finer than 4000 grit Abralon. And much smoother than those micro-mesh pads. (Their numbers are Japanese grade and are actually much lower when compared to Cami or FEPA grade.)
http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/ProductID/3M5XNHH2T%20A00M
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Re: Mo Pinel Surface Recomendation
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 10:44:02 AM »
To reconfirm what you were saying, Mo does not like having to use polish, I believe, because it takes away from midlane roll.  He is such an advocate of the skid/roll/hook, that adding polish takes away from the roll aspect. He stated to me a couple years ago that in order to have a higher carry percentage, the ball needs to have midlane roll.  He is not a fan of skid/flip type reactions.  He is more concerned with layouts and the position of the core as the ball rolls down the lane.  Even the balls that have polish on them, still have rolly characteristics to them.
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Re: Mo Pinel Surface Recomendation
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008, 05:51:47 PM »
It's actually skid/hook/roll
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Re: Mo Pinel Surface Recomendation
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 04:28:11 PM »
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