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Title: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: max revs on February 14, 2010, 05:56:02 PM
You can you use these with or without water correct?
Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: leftyinsnellville on February 15, 2010, 03:41:20 AM
correct
Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: ValentinoBowling on February 15, 2010, 05:44:29 PM
In my professional and personal opinion, you should never use a pad dry.

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Edited on 2/15/2010 6:44 PM
Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: JohnP on February 15, 2010, 08:31:47 PM
I agree with Kevin when using a spinner, primarily because of the dust.  For a quick touch up before bowling I don't see a problem with using a pad by hand without water.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 15, 2010, 10:04:17 PM
quote:
In my professional and personal opinion, you should never use a pad dry.

-Kevin

 

+1....I totally agree...
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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: BeansProShop on February 15, 2010, 10:28:28 PM
kevin,
Please explain....

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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 16, 2010, 12:39:15 AM
quote:
kevin,
Please explain....

Thanks beans



I believe John P explained it plus using the pads dry will wear them out faster and they don't come cheap.
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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: BeansProShop on February 16, 2010, 10:37:30 PM
Not that it matters much because I dont use abralon too much. I think it is overpriced. I do use Mirka paper in the same grits and I get the same finishes. BUT...I was told that by using Abralon dry it will sand 50-70 balls and by using it wet, it deteriorates the particles and knocks them off the pads making it worthless after 10-12 balls.

I am just repeating what I heard from Bill Calhoon who was the Ebonite USBC booth operator and ball rep for years.. He actually almost fired a booth worker for using a pad wet....LOL..

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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: MC on February 16, 2010, 10:53:31 PM
Which pads are better?
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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 16, 2010, 11:46:19 PM
quote:
Which pads are better?
 
I haven't tried them yet, but I hear that the Siaair Pads are the best. true or not, I don't know.
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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: charlest on February 17, 2010, 06:12:05 AM
I have not compared the results of the sanding. Both SiaAir and Abralon seem to do an equally good job. SiaAir seem to last longer and have generally been less expensive to buy. Also, until recently SiaAir had some grit levels that were not available from Abralon: P1500 and P3000 notably. I believe you can now get these in Abralon pads. Oh, and SiAir are also available in 5" circles, as well as Abralon's 6" circle. Both can be used with or without CABs.

As my supply of Abralon dwindles, I have generally been replacing them with SiaAir pads.
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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: charlest on February 17, 2010, 06:16:04 AM
quote:
Not that it matters much because I dont use abralon too much. I think it is overpriced. I do use Mirka paper in the same grits and I get the same finishes. BUT...I was told that by using Abralon dry it will sand 50-70 balls and by using it wet, it deteriorates the particles and knocks them off the pads making it worthless after 10-12 balls.

I am just repeating what I heard from Bill Calhoon who was the Ebonite USBC booth operator and ball rep for years.. He actually almost fired a booth worker for using a pad wet....LOL..

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Beans,

One negative aspect of using them dry, I was told, was that the finish they apply is actually rougher than without using water as a lubricant. SO if you use a dry P4000 pad, it's like use a wet P2000 pad. Sorry, don't recall who told me that.

This just occurred to me:
Does Ebonite use a dry Haus machine to finish the balls at the factory?
If they use water, shouldn't we also use water, whenever we sand a ball?

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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: dizzyfugu on February 17, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
Using water is even helpful when you use the nylon pads or sand paper by hand. It catches the sanding dust and carries it away, therefore keeping the pad clean which easily cloggs up with sanding dust and loses bite, which also settles down in the sanding lines on the ball. IMO, you can throw a fine sanding pad away after one thorough use without water, and the sanding result is less "clean".

On the spinner, the water also cools down the surface. This does not sound severe, but on a high speed spinner and with some pressure on the pad, things become quite hot, and the clogging problem mentioned above can become worse.

Use water. It is healthier and also keeps investments lower.
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Title: Re: Siaair and Abralon pads question
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 17, 2010, 09:21:30 AM
quote:
This just occurred to me:
Does Ebonite use a dry Haus machine to finish the balls at the factory?
If they use water, shouldn't we also use water, whenever we sand a ball?

 


That was my thoughts also.
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