Author Topic: Simple Green (Read 35395 times)

Kanyon · « **on:** March 05, 2010, 10:11:46 AM »

To those that use Simple Green and alcohol, to you use half of each or do you put any water in it.

Thunder835 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 09, 2010, 01:54:40 PM »

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I have an used everything from Clean and Dull, Most of the manufacturer's cleaners including the old Track Magic stuff, Storm Reacta-Shine etc. I've also used the Simple Green mixture for years having worked in several pro shops over the years too.

One thing ive noticed is the Clean and Dull does just that, it cleans and dulls, so if you are just looking to clean up the surface without removing the shine from the ball, then I'd stay away from C&D.

Most of the manufacturer's cleaners and the Simple Green mixture acheive the same result, they remove a small layer of dirt, oil and grime from the cover of the ball. Show me proof where just because the bottle has a ball manufacturer's name on it it gets better results than the Simple Green mixture...you cant.

And what's with bashing somebody because they want to do their own maintenence at home? Is it cheap, frugal?? Yeah maybe but so what? Why spend almost 3 times more for something i can mix at home and get the same results? OMG, i dont know how my Hot Rod SS pearl has lasted as long as it has, especailly since i havent used Reacta-Shine on it since i purchased it....

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Clean N' Dull does not change the surface of the ball. It "deep cleans" the surface of the ball. If the ball was originally a dull surface ball, it will restore it to that finish. If it's a polished ball, it will clean the surface and restore the tacky finish. Read the bottle. It clearly says it does not alter the surface of the ball.
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J_w73 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 09, 2010, 02:04:53 PM »

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Super clean is a heavy duty degreaser that is concentrated. I only use like a 1/2 to 1 cup of it in the big chilli pot. W/o the ball the pot is about 1/2 full. So yes, it''s a huge chilli pot, but it works! You can find super clean at walmart in the automotive section. It''s like 6-8 bucks for a gallon bottle. Or you can get the knock off stuff called "Awesome" (a little cheaper) which is purple as well, but works about the same. All the balls i''ve done this to are darker in color though. Never had the discoloration happen. (Done it to Fury, NVS, Radical Inferno, Raw Anger, Elite Eclipse, Morich Awesome Finish)

Simple green would work just as well though.

Castrol Super Clean and Simple Green are both approved by the USBC for use anytime on bowling balls. Supposedly USBC has done testing on all of these cleaners to make sure they fall within the rules and don''t harm the surface integrity of the bowling ball.

HAHA

Commercial Products
Approved Anytime
Ammonia
Castrol Super Clean
CV-88
Denatured Ethanol
Jolt Detergent
Orange Clean Multipurpose Degreaser
Rubbing Alcohol (Isopropyl)
Simple Green
Spray Nine Multi-Purpose Cleaner
Windex

HAHA... just noticed Denatured Ethanol on the list of being approved anytime.. I just wrote USBC about this as well. Denatured Ethanol can potentially contain substances that are not allowed at anytime by the USBC and will definately alter the surface.. like acetone or methyl ethyl ketone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol

I once read an article that said not to use Denatured Ehtanol on a ball because over time (because of those additives) it can soften and basically melt the cover stock down and ruin the porosity.

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TheFreeAgent · « **Reply #48 on:** March 09, 2010, 02:07:07 PM »

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I do not work for a ball company. I work in a pro shop that only uses MANUFACTURED ball cleaners, not homemade cleaners. We carry all Ebonite and Storm cleaners. All I am saying is that if you really want your equipment to last as long as possible, use a real ball cleaner that is manufactured for bowling equipment. You should also have the ball revived every once in a while. People invest a lot of money in their bowling equipment and should maintain them as much as possible. Just because a product is "approved" by USBC doesn't make it a good choice to use as a cleaner.
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and just because its MANUFACTURED doesnt make it any better than house hold cleaners. Just 10X the price
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charlest · « **Reply #49 on:** March 09, 2010, 02:07:32 PM »

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I have an used everything from Clean and Dull, Most of the manufacturer''s cleaners including the old Track Magic stuff, Storm Reacta-Shine etc. I''ve also used the Simple Green mixture for years having worked in several pro shops over the years too.

One thing ive noticed is the Clean and Dull does just that, it cleans and dulls, so if you are just looking to clean up the surface without removing the shine from the ball, then I''d stay away from C&D.

I do not know how you are applying C&D but it still does not dull polished balls UNLESS the polish or shine is due to oil being rubbed into the surface. Oil shines are very hard to get rid of, and C&D does get rid of them. SG does not.

Polish is NOT a coating, like paint or polyurethane. To remove polish you MUST use an abrasive. There is no abrasive in C&D. It is a gel. It is not an acid that etches materials. It does not burn my hands although I try to make sure I use gloves when I use it.

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Most of the manufacturer''s cleaners and the Simple Green mixture acheive the same result, they remove a small layer of dirt, oil and grime from the cover of the ball. Show me proof where just because the bottle has a ball manufacturer''s name on it it gets better results than the Simple Green mixtur...you cant.

No, but my results prove to me that Simple Green just does not remove oil lines, not oil laying on top of the ball, but oil ground into the surface.

Seeing all the "testimony" in this thread about SG, I once again tried a 50/50 combo of concentrated SG and 70% isopropyl alcohol. It most defintiely does NOT remove oil lines, like the really good bowling-ball specific cleaners, like Clean and Dull and Lanemasters cleaner and Hook-It and Remedy.

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And what''s with bashing somebody because they want to do their own maintenence at home? Is it cheap, frugal?? Yeah maybe but so what? Why spend almost 3 times more for something i can mix at home and get the same results? OMG, i dont know how my Hot Rod SS pearl has lasted as long as it has, especailly since i havent used Reacta-Shine on it since i purchased it....

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Taking your lunch money, one strike at a time....

You want use it. I won''t be the one to even think of trying to stop you. Please go ahead. Just don''t make fun of me because I choose to use cleaners that seem to work for me. Money doesn''t enter into this equation for me. No, I''m far from rich. I just want something that I know works.
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Edited on 3/9/2010 3:09 PM

Steven · « **Reply #50 on:** March 09, 2010, 02:22:50 PM »

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Seeing all the "testimony" in this thread about SG, I once again tried a 50/50 combo of concentrated SG and 70% isopropyl alcohol. It most definitely does NOT remove oil lines like the really good Bowling-ball specific cleaners, like Clean and Dull and Lanemasters and Hook-It and Remedy.

Charlest: Exactly.

A direct comparison of SG mixtures against Hook-It and C&D caliber cleaners leads to only one conclusion: SG mixtures do not clean as well, nor remove oil lines with the same thoroughness.

If you want to argue that balls have to eventually be de-oiled using an oven or a bath anyway, then you might have a point to discuss. That's the only real angle in making a case for a less potent home brew cleaner like SG.

BowlOgre21 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 09, 2010, 02:27:28 PM »

The arguement between Simple Green and Clean & Dull is a moot point. Simple Green and alcohol is an "every day" cleaner, something I use after bowling while still at the lanes. Clean & Dull is a "deep" cleaner I use once a week. SG&Alcohol is just as good as powerhouse cleaner, reacta clean, etc other "every day" cleaners, but its nowhere near Clean & Dull, Resurrection, and the other "deep" cleaners.

Steven · « **Reply #52 on:** March 09, 2010, 02:41:14 PM »

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SG&Alcohol is just as good as powerhouse cleaner, reacta clean, etc other "every day" cleaners, but its nowhere near Clean & Dull, Resurrection, and the other "deep" cleaners.

Hook-It is an everyday cleaner that falls into the "deep" cleaning category. There may be others as well.

BTW, Resurrection changes the surface of the ball to 800 Matte, so it 'cleans' as a by-product of resurfacing.

stopncrank · « **Reply #53 on:** March 09, 2010, 02:56:39 PM »

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I have an used everything from Clean and Dull, Most of the manufacturer''s cleaners including the old Track Magic stuff, Storm Reacta-Shine etc. I''ve also used the Simple Green mixture for years having worked in several pro shops over the years too.

One thing ive noticed is the Clean and Dull does just that, it cleans and dulls, so if you are just looking to clean up the surface without removing the shine from the ball, then I''d stay away from C&D.

I do not know how you are applying C&D but it still does not dull polished balls UNLESS the polish or shine is due to oil being rubbed into the surface. Oil shines are very hard to get rid of, and C&D does get rid of them. SG does not.

Polish is NOT a coating, like paint or polyurethane. To remove polish you MUST use an abrasive. There is no abrasive in C&D. It is a gel. It is not an acid that etches materials. It does not burn my hands although I try to make sure I use gloves when I use it.

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Most of the manufacturer''s cleaners and the Simple Green mixture acheive the same result, they remove a small layer of dirt, oil and grime from the cover of the ball. Show me proof where just because the bottle has a ball manufacturer''s name on it it gets better results than the Simple Green mixtur...you cant.

No, but my results prove to me that Simple Green just does not remove oil lines, not oil laying on top of the ball, but oil ground into the surface.

Seeing all the "testimony" in this thread about SG, I once again tried a 50/50 combo of concentrated SG and 70% isopropyl alcohol. It most defintiely does NOT remove oil lines, like the really good bowling-ball specific cleaners, like Clean and Dull and Lanemasters cleaner and Hook-It and Remedy.

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And what''s with bashing somebody because they want to do their own maintenence at home? Is it cheap, frugal?? Yeah maybe but so what? Why spend almost 3 times more for something i can mix at home and get the same results? OMG, i dont know how my Hot Rod SS pearl has lasted as long as it has, especailly since i havent used Reacta-Shine on it since i purchased it....

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Taking your lunch money, one strike at a time....

You want use it. I won''t be the one to even think of trying to stop you. Please go ahead. Just don''t make fun of me because I choose to use cleaners that seem to work for me. Money doesn''t enter into this equation for me. No, I''m far from rich. I just want something that I know works.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Edited on 3/9/2010 3:09 PM

The last time i used Clean and Dull was at least 10 years ago and it came in a metal can and was liquid, and in fact did do some degree remove polish, sir. I havent used it since.

As for making fun of you for using a manufacturer's cleaner, please show me where i made fun of anybody that uses them?? If you want to stake you claim as the be all end all of coverstock prep, layouts and everything in between here on Ballreviews, thats cool bud, but dont put words in my mouth to make your point, clear? My point in my previous post was, basically who cares?? If you want to spend 3 times as much to clean your stuff than somebody who uses Simple Green, good for you! But just because you do, and somebody else doesnt, doesnt make your way the only way, sir.
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leftykev · « **Reply #54 on:** March 09, 2010, 04:27:24 PM »

Ha! This is one of the most entertaining posts I have read in a long time.

Anyway, I wonder how difficult it would be to discover if the ball manufacturers are simply re-branding commercial cleaning products, and marking up the price. Many companies re-brand products, because it saves costs versus creating an original product.

This is not speculation, just a common business practice. Sadly, the ball manufacturers assume that bowlers are gullible enough to pay higher than retail pricing for something that can purchase at Walmart.

I do know for sure that Brunswick Remove All Ball Cleaner is re-branded Windex cleaner, or the same exact formula. I have a buddy who works for a lab, who tested the difference between the Brunswick cleaner and simple Windex. It's the same!

cappy718 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 09, 2010, 04:43:11 PM »

It is quite an entertaining post! I just cant believe people resort to calling people names. If you believe name brand stuff is where it's at, cool. I just wont pay for all the name brand stuff. And sure most of the people here probably bowl much better than I do, but I've only been bowling for 3 years now. Oh well, I have fun doing it!

milorafferty · « **Reply #56 on:** March 09, 2010, 04:47:08 PM »

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Ha! This is one of the most entertaining posts I have read in a long time.

Anyway, I wonder how difficult it would be to discover if the ball manufacturers are simply re-branding commercial cleaning products, and marking up the price. Many companies re-brand products, because it saves costs versus creating an original product.

This is not speculation, just a common business practice. Sadly, the ball manufacturers assume that bowlers are gullible enough to pay higher than retail pricing for something that can purchase at Walmart.

I do know for sure that Brunswick Remove All Ball Cleaner is re-branded Windex cleaner, or the same exact formula. I have a buddy who works for a lab, who tested the difference between the Brunswick cleaner and simple Windex. It's the same!

DUDE!!! You must have lost your FRRREEEEAAAAKKKKING mind. Have you not read the post here? You spray that on your bowling ball and it will just EXPLODE!

Not to mention that it will cause your credit score to go down, make the tires on your car go flat, and even cause your last name to be misspelled! (Unless of course, you go back to buying a "proper" ball cleaner, then the universe will be rescued)

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leftykev · « **Reply #57 on:** March 09, 2010, 04:54:29 PM »

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DUDE!!! You must have lost your FRRREEEEAAAAKKKKING mind. Have you not read the post here? You spray that on your bowling ball and it will just EXPLODE!

Not to mention that it will cause your credit score to go down, make the tires on your car go flat, and even cause your last name to be misspelled! (Unless of course, you go back to buying a "proper" ball cleaner, then the universe will be rescued)
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Dam! That's why my tire went flat this morning. At least with all the money I save with Simple Green, I can now afford a new tire!

milorafferty · « **Reply #58 on:** March 09, 2010, 05:11:34 PM »

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Unbelievable. I don't know how you can say a Simple Green solution does not remove oil rings. Maybe you don't wipe your ball with a microfiber towel as part of your preshot routine. All I know is this, if there is ANYTHING on my bowling ball after a game, I spray my Simple Green/water/isopropyl mix on the ball, take my shoes off, then wipe ball down with a terry cloth. Guess what? No oil rings, no belt marks, just pristine ball surface. It really doesn't matter though, people will do what they want to do. I guess some people are smarter about it than others.

Actually, I think it might be that folks like you and I live in some fantasy world where anything that is less expensive can't be as good. Just my opinion. :-D
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Jay · « **Reply #59 on:** March 09, 2010, 05:20:00 PM »

My question is, is Simple Green mixture much better than just Alcohol? I imagine SG is stronger but it stil doesn't draw oil out, like any other liquid cleaner. I wonder if SG gets belt marks off and plain Alcohol doesn't?
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snowspike1 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 09, 2010, 05:29:33 PM »

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I'd rather use the money I save and get in more jackpots. I like to keep as much of my hard earned money as I can.

Wow. How many additional jackpots does that spare change get you into? I guess changing your handle from 'cool rockin daddy' to 'letsbowl4quarters' does have some real world relevance. Nice.

If you believe that Simple Green has the same cleaning power as C&D or Hook-It, you've set up camp deep inside the grounds of 'cheap and ignorant'. The reality is that you don't have a clue about the better competing products. Yet you continue to spread the same bad and inaccurate information.

BTW, have you figured out the difference between an Abralon Pad and a Brillo Pad yet?

since when is "hoot-it" a cleaner?

Where do you see "hoot-it". Re-read the message! It clearly says HOOK-IT.
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WELL EXCUSE ME FOR HAVEING A FUMBLE THUMB. I was useing my phone and the keys are a little close.

but it still stands since when is HOOK IT a f'ing cleaner.

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