win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Simple Green  (Read 35397 times)

Kanyon

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 62
Simple Green
« on: March 05, 2010, 10:11:46 AM »
To those that use Simple Green and alcohol, to you use half of each or do you put any water in it.

 

justinmill14

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 185
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #91 on: March 13, 2010, 11:03:20 AM »
I have a question about using the simple green for cleaning balls. Is it alright to use on polished balls? Or can it rip some of the polish off?

Edited on 3/13/2010 12:03 PM

J_w73

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2554
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #92 on: March 13, 2010, 11:35:29 AM »
quote:
I have a question about using the simple green for cleaning balls. Is it alright to use on polished balls? Or can it rip some of the polish off?

Edited on 3/13/2010 12:03 PM


Please see Charlest's post about this in this thread.
If the polish you applied has waxes, slip additives , or other friction modifying agents then yes the simple green may remove those ..
But a polish is not a coating that is sitting on the cover of the ball.  A polish is bringing the actual surface to a high grit, high shine.. This is the physical structure of the cover.

Kind of like a car polish brings the paint to a high shine but the waxes in the polish create a slick surface and protect the finish.. There are two things doing two separate things.
--------------------
18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185
350 RPM, 17 MPH

Steven

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7680
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #93 on: March 13, 2010, 06:24:51 PM »
I hadn't checked this thread in a few days. As I would have guessed, CRD (i.e. letsbowl4money), CGsSuk, and Joe Falco took opportunities to embarrass themselves. I even got a guest appearance from the Nose himself, who came out of the shadows to try to.....who knows what.

Regardless, I'll address the following:

quote:
so what about the rejuvenator oven there? according to storm dont put there balls in 1 (i would hazard a guess and say that goes for Roto too).

so much for the cheap side cause its the recommended way.




All manufacturers have their take on what's best to de-oil. MoRich has this to say:

http://www.morichbowling.com/BowlingBalls/BowlingBall_Cleaning.htm

Also, Brunswick and Lane#1 are on record for recommending the Revivor/Rejuvenator ovens as the first choice for oil extraction. I think Ebonite and Storm don't recommend dry hear because there are too many morons who try to bake in their home cooking ovens, and they don't want to deal with all the possible warranty issues.  

All I can say is that over time, I've successfully baked many balls from all the major manufacturers (Storm included) in the Revivor Oil Extraction Unit:

http://www.shop.innovativebowling.com/product.sc?categoryId=1&productId=411

In many cases, I did the oven method after trying a hot water bath and ALWAYS got additional oil out.

The bottom line is that these ovens are far more effective at extracting oil than hot water methods. You might want to ask why some of the all-stars who like to post here (letsbowl4money, CGsSuK, Joe Falco, etc.) didn't take the time to provide you with this information.

On the other hand, if you think about it, the answer is pretty clear.

JOE FALCO

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6298
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #94 on: March 13, 2010, 06:55:35 PM »
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I made a mistake with this .. just letting you know so that it doesn't happen to you. I sprayed the ball with SIMPLE GREEN then put it in HOT WATER (straight from the faucet) .. the ball lost a lot of it's color. It was the AMF HEIST! Recently had the ball polished by a friend who has a spinner .. ball still is FANTASTIC just looks a little ridiculous!

--------------------
J O E - F A L C O

RIP Thong Princess/Sawbones
RIP Thongprincess/Sawbones!

Strider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6757
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2010, 09:59:50 AM »
quote:
If only you would post something based on FACT, for once, maybe people might try to take you seriously.   Storm doesn''t recommend anything but hot water bath as there are some additives in their coverstocks that actually bake off in DRY heat.  You checking in on us?  No, you''re the little kid who is sent to bed while the grownups play cards and keeps sneaking down the steps to see what''s going on.  For the last time. STEVIE, go to bed!


I don''t remember seeing this anywhere.  Can you provide proof that Storm doesn''t approve of dry heat for this reason?  Do they say anything one way or the other about a dishwasher?  Common sense would tell you that if the additives bake off, it would do it whether there''s water or not.
--------------------
Penn State Proud

Ron Clifton''s Bowling Tip Archive

Edited on 3/14/2010 11:01 AM

jmattox

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 228
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #96 on: March 14, 2010, 10:32:50 AM »
I was wondering about the Simple Green wipes. I have seen them and wondered if they worked?

lenstanles703

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #97 on: March 14, 2010, 11:11:40 AM »
I use the Powerhouse dry system from Ebonite to remove oil from balls. But since I started using Visionary 3 years ago I haven't had to use it on my balls. Rubbing alcohol still works for me!
--------------------
Len

Juggernaut

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6498
  • Former good bowler, now 3 games a week house hack.
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #98 on: March 14, 2010, 11:21:33 AM »
WOW, this thread is even longer than the "Lesbians at the prom" thread that I'm getting hammered in. Maybe I can get hammered here as well.

 I've been bowling since 1982 and have NEVER bought a pre manufactured cleaning product.  I have always used either an alcohol based, or acetone based, home made cleaner.

 I switched from acetone based to alcohol based shortly after I discovered that acetone actually altered the ball.

 I use 50% simple green, 30% isopropyl alcohol ( the 91% type), and 20% windex to make it.

 Works fine, cleans reasonably deeply, and never had a ball "die" from it, even though I have some balls I've had for YEARS.

 I've also never had to have an oil extraction done. I do have an original Inferno that went through the dishwasher ( which brought it back to pristine performance), but that's the extent of it.  Got a Track MUTANT from a guy once that actually was dead, but I brought it back to life with heat (left it covered with a dark towel in the car) and berrymans b-12 chemtool ( yeah yeah, I know, but it was dead and I had nothing to lose).

 Moral is, get some dang cleaner and use it. Home made cleaner is better than no cleaner at all, and is plenty good enough for many of us to bypass manufacturers brand name cleaners altogether.
--------------------
Good transactions list in my profile

 ILLEGITIMI, NON-CARBORUNDUM!
Learn to laugh, and love, and smile, cause we’re only here for a little while.

Strider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6757
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #99 on: March 14, 2010, 03:58:33 PM »
Ah, thanks.  The post got so out of hand that I stopped reading.  I just happened to see yours and on the surface it didn''t make sense.  Thanks for the clarification.
--------------------
Penn State Proud

Ron Clifton''s Bowling Tip Archive

Edited on 3/14/2010 3:59 PM

Steven

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7680
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #100 on: March 14, 2010, 07:28:51 PM »
CRD/LB4M: This is from the Innovative bowling products link I provided:

 
quote:
Q: Will the Revivor harm the ball?
A: No. Eight years of field testing by over 1.000 pro shops as well as extensive testing from Innovative and independent non-bias companies proves it has NEVER harmed a ball.


As another wise poster on this site has said more than once, "reading is a skill". It's a skill that you clearly haven't mastered, if you've tried at all.
So slowly read the above Q&A. Innovative has put their professional reputation on the line with the Revivor product. There claims are true until you can prove otherwise. Good Luck.

Before you regurgitate the Storm memo, remember that companies have agendas. Ebonite/Columbia also doesn't recommend heat for oil extraction. I'm sure the fact that they sell their own compound to extract oil doesn't play into the picture.  

If it's safe in hot tap water, it's safe in a specifically designed oil extraction oven. Heat draws the oil from the bowling balls. Forced air circulates the heat evenly. Electronic controller assures constant temperature. Balls continually rotate during the process. Sorbent pads collect the oil as the balls turn.

Regardless, this last week I put my Columbia Rival through a session in the Revivor oven. I wanted to use it for a USBC Open Pattern Tournament this weekend. It bleed for about 90 minutes before the extraction was finished. As for temperature, the cover was much cooler than after a typical hot afternoon of sitting in the car trunk.

The Rival reacted just fine. Despite the heavy pattern (double pass of oil), The ball achieved the heavy roll with controlled backend I expected -- just like when it was new. So much for the dry heat ruining the ball.

CRD, you've long been a lost cause, so I don't expect the truth and facts here to have any impact on you. This is more for others who might be looking to expand their understanding of options they might have.

Steven

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7680
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #101 on: March 14, 2010, 10:12:40 PM »
quote:
The only person with an agenda on this site is you, Steven. You consistently come on here and try to pose as an expert on everything from the economy to bowling.  


I lay out real world ball maintenance activities I conduct all the time. I describe different techniques, and based on real results, take a stand on what works, what doesn't, are where there are differences in effectiveness.

You find this offensive because of your own limitations. You're a bottom feeder, and you resent anyone who spends the energy to dig a little deeper to find answers.

You don't have a clue about different cleaning techniques, because you're too cheap and limited to try anything beyond your household cleaners. You don't know the first thing about Revivor/Rejuvenator oil extraction units, so you cling to an e-mail sent to someone else for your 'definitive' information.

What's laughable is that you couldn't even interpret the Storm message correctly. They state 'We don’t recommend using dry heat methods, especially ovens or otherwise because the temperatures often exceed safe parameters. The extraction units discussed certainly maintain safe parameters. Their designs take into account possible negative effects. That's why they work.

But you wouldn't know this because you're an ignorant tool. Your claim to fame is quoting what you want to believe others are saying instead of jumping in and trying things yourself. You have nothing to offer beyond what any moron can pull from the web.

You were a joke as CRD, and you've continued that legacy as letsbow4money. The day the sun rises in the West is when I'll see an original thought posted by you.

Rileybowler

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3461
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #102 on: March 15, 2010, 06:50:52 PM »
Was in Home Depot today and they now have simple green in lemon scented so now we have a choice, I thought I'd give the lemon a try
--------------------
Carl
Bless the LORD o my soul and all that is within me bless his holy name
Carl
Bless the LORD o my soul and all that is within me bless his holy name

Steven

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7680
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #103 on: March 15, 2010, 07:35:55 PM »
quote:
Oh, incoherent one. What don''t you understand about the above. They don''t recommend dry heat methods. What is the rejuvenator? Dry heat.
 


Let's see. Brunswick recommends it. Storm and Ebonite doesn't recommend it. For those who swear by soaking, some say to sand the ball down to 320 first, while others say it isn't necessary. The contradictions are endless depending on point of view and experience.

This all isn't unusual. Much of ball maintenance technology is as much an art as it is a science. The only way to sift through the confusion is to experiment and try different approaches. That means comparing the results from baking in an oil extraction unit vs. soaking in water. It means comparing a variety of different cleaners on different ball surfaces for effectiveness. It means experimenting to understand the differences between Abralon, Scotchbrite, Sandpaper, Tizact, and liquid sanding compounds for varying surface results.  

The one constant that's indisputable is that you do none of the above. That means you don't have a friggin clue as to what you're talking about. You have the curiosity and learning desire of a drooling imbecile. For reasons that are impossible to understand, you seem happily trapped in stale world of ignorance that you show no desire of wanting to leave.

I'm not going to argue these points with you anymore in this thread. Enough for now.

qstick777

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5188
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #104 on: March 16, 2010, 11:14:16 AM »
I don't remember what ratio I used it mine, but I threw a couple of balls up on the spinner last night for a cleaning.

I'll be damned if they didn't get nice and tacky.  I could almost palm the ball - well, if my hands were bigger and I was manly enough to palm a 14-15lb ball!

Coolerman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 680
Re: Simple Green
« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2010, 12:31:41 PM »
This is one of the better selling products on the market.The under 30 group tell me that this
is the best product for cleaning their balls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP9Qv0nhh_0&feature=related