Author Topic: The effect of surface can't be overstated (Read 4690 times)

louie · « **on:** March 09, 2010, 08:31:23 AM »

Here's a brief example.

I have an Awesome Flip that I have had great success with this season. Good length with a controllable and powerful backend. I had noticed it was getting tracked up. It still had the length, but the backend was erratic and noticably weaker. I decided to do a light resurface. I used abralon pads and took the surface to 500 then 2000 and then polished with black magic. I took the ball to the lanes and checked it out. Still great length, but I now had a huge and uncontrollable backend. Took the ball home and really burned 2 layers of control it onto the ball. I went back to the lanes, and I now had length with power AND control again. The ball looked as good or better than new.

My point is that a small change in surface can be the difference between a great look and over under hell. The best bowling purchase I ever made was my spinner.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2010, 05:59:58 AM »

As a side note, with the Flip you also have a ball (with Activator+, plus the strong asymmetrical core) which reacts strongly to minute surface changes.

I had a S&A (almost the same ball), and it was amazing how much it changed its behaviour between Polish (uncontrollable snap beast), 4.000 Abralon (very good control, pretty sharp break point), Finesse-It II (good compromise) and Rough Buff (OOB, somewhere in between).
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agroves · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2010, 08:41:50 AM »

This is one thing your average league bowler just doesn't understand. It is my opinion, that the majority of bowlers don't use enough surface. Everybody wants their ball polished, but they fail to realize this magnifies their mistakes, especially on a wet/dry house pattern.

I see it all the time. The ball jerks off the dry going high and slides in the oil leaving 2 pins, buckets, etc. If they had say, 2000 Abralon, the ball would have LESS over/under and being alittle more forgiving.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2010, 08:55:29 AM »

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This is one thing your average league bowler just doesn't understand. It is my opinion, that the majority of bowlers don't use enough surface.

I even suppose that many are even not aware of this "option". I guess that more than 80% just buy a ball, have it punched up and never think about surface changes or treatments - esp. when the piece does not "work" properly. I found it amazing and simply very insightful to try out different surfaces and what they do. It helps with building an arsenal, and tells you a lot about your equipment, its potential and yourself when making adjustments while playing. IMO an underestimated factor - every serious bowler should have a spinner in reach

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cappy718 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:57:21 AM »

Then you also have the pro shops that you go to and tell them, hey my ball is hooking too soon, can you shine it for me? Then they tell you to go to the ball machine that's 30 years old. I just want them to let me use the ball spinner...lol! I will experiement myself, just let me use the stupid thing...lol!

snowspike1 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2010, 12:03:36 PM »

I agree. i have a VE that had been resurfaced at a proshop but it just seemed to go LONG (think it was overly polished/ not OOB).

when i got my spinner my first adjustment was a rush job and didn't work but the 2nd try i wanted to try out before league but wasn't able to get the time available.

i eneded up shooting a 775 on a 190 ave. 5 man team fresh ths (would say med/heavy volume) games were 233,300,242.

gota see what the new week will bring.

lenstanles703 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2010, 02:35:26 PM »

You will also find people that would NEVER tweak the cover on a ball. If it doesn't work oob it's no good. I enjoy using my spinner to try different things. It might get a ball some one gave up on to work for you.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2010, 04:53:30 AM »

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You will also find people that would NEVER tweak the cover on a ball. If it doesn't work oob it's no good. I enjoy using my spinner to try different things. It might get a ball some one gave up on to work for you.
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dballz · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2010, 02:21:46 PM »

i try to explain to people when i drill their stuff that surface of the ball is really important and that there may be times after we drill a ball, where we have to alter the surface in order to get the desired reaction. some understand and there are some that just don't give a ball a chance and say it doesn't work. it's frustrating, but all you can do is keep talking to the customers, in hopes they understand and become open minded to changes.

dougb · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2010, 03:37:31 PM »

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This is one thing your average league bowler just doesn't understand. It is my opinion, that the majority of bowlers don't use enough surface.

That's what the manual that came with my Innovative Ball Spinner says, and I agree!

JohnP · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2010, 08:38:35 PM »

Most of my customers won't let me sand their equipment because "it won't be as pretty". -- JohnP