Author Topic: storm reacta shine or step 2 (Read 10170 times)

icewall · « **on:** September 01, 2008, 04:51:55 AM »

im looking to replicate the common oob surface that you see on a lot of bowling balls 1500grit polish. to be exact its a gladiator pearl.

right now I have coming to me secret sauce and i have ebonites ff and snake oil. so now im just looking for a polish with grit in it.

id be willing to try a different polish like brunswicks high gloss but im afraid of the variables and causeing too much skid plus im betting beans sauce will create all the length i need.
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2008, 01:48:17 PM »

I thought we had gone over this in the Vis forum, but okay.

I think you can get very close using either
a) a grey nylon pad and either a light dose of Secret Sauce or a medium dose of Reacta Shine or Ebo's Factory Finish polish. All of them are abrasive polishes, with SS being more aggressive than Reacta SHine or Ebonite's polish.
or
b) 2000 grit Abralon pad and Snake Oil which is a non-abrasive polish. 2000 grit Abralon is roughly 1000 grit US/CAMI.

You're still going to have to "eyeball" the final shine to see how it compares to the original finish AND you'll have to test the reaction.

Since Visionary uses a method we cannot reproduce by ourselves, I tend to feel we should apply a polish level we can live with on the new ball, overlaying the stock one. This way we can always restore it with the same method.
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ValentinoBowling · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2008, 02:08:58 PM »

Try an 800 grit sandpaper then Snake Oil, when applying Snake Oil, spending 20 seconds on each side for a 1500 grit finish.

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icewall · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2008, 09:24:47 PM »

thank you to both charlest and valentino.

yes charlest it was gone over however i feel that you gave the correct information on how to polish and how to avoid mistakes but vague when it came to what to use or how to get there.

I do realize that I can take any polish even storms step 2 and make a ball 3000 grit polished because the particles in the polish will break down with heat and pressure. im just looking for the easiest way to replicate the reaction im looking for rather then getting it right once and having to "eye" it every time.

wouldnt mind using a grey pad and then snake oil as that would let me eye the surface much easier.

I like to find the easiest way to reproduce the surface again and again.

by saying ss is the most aggressive do you mean it will put a higher shine on easier then the others?
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** September 01, 2008, 09:46:50 PM »

quote:
thank you to both charlest and valentino.

yes charlest it was gone over however i feel that you gave the correct information on how to polish and how to avoid mistakes but vague when it came to what to use or how to get there.

Sorry, but this is one of those areas where there are no specifics. Experience is the best "gauge".

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I do realize that I can take any polish even storms step 2 and make a ball 3000 grit polished because the particles in the polish will break down with heat and pressure. im just looking for the easiest way to replicate the reaction im looking for rather then getting it right once and having to "eye" it every time.

Believe me, I understand. That is precisely why my general preference is for a non abrasive polish, which does not change the underlying grit level.

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wouldnt mind using a grey pad and then snake oil as that would let me eye the surface much easier. I like to find the easiest way to reproduce the surface again and again.

Jokingly and not jokingly, the best way is to do it right the first time and remember what you did.

SOrry. I know that is VERY annoying, but it is true. I learned that THE HARD WAY.

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by saying ss is the most aggressive do you mean it will put a higher shine on easier then the others?
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No. I mean it has the most abrasive and it most easily and quickly changes the underlying grit level and, of course, makes it easier for the polish portion of the liquid to put a bright gloss shine on it in the quickest time.

The safest way is what Valentino and I both said:
Take it to 800 grit with 800 grit US/CAMI sandpaper (Or 1500 grit FEPA sandpaper) or a FRESH light grey Scotch-Brite nylon pad and then apply Snake Oil, a very good, non-abrasive polish.
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icewall · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2008, 05:14:26 AM »

ok I understand now what you mean. and I do know what you mean by experience is the best gauge... I learned that the hard way.

would my best bet be to use 800 grit wet/dry sandpaper? I ask this because im not always thrilled with the results on scotchbrite being the grit level I want. kind of makes me feel like I could put too much pressure or time and result in a higher grit then 800.
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ValentinoBowling · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2008, 05:30:45 AM »

I haven't seen the Gladiator pearl in person, but I know that Resurrection duplicates the Gladiator solid out of box finish perfectly.

Resurrection does resurface the ball at 800 grit. With a spinner you will get a sheen finish, but by hand you will get 800 grit matte. You could try, 600 grit, Resurrection then a quick application of Snake Oil.

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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** September 02, 2008, 08:56:47 AM »

quote:
ok I understand now what you mean. and I do know what you mean by experience is the best gauge... I learned that the hard way.

would my best bet be to use 800 grit wet/dry sandpaper? I ask this because im not always thrilled with the results on scotchbrite being the grit level I want. kind of makes me feel like I could put too much pressure or time and result in a higher grit then 800.
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800 grit wet/dry is fine, AS LONG AS it's not FEPA graded. FEPA sandpaper usually has a "P" in front of the number. If you use sheets of wet/dry sandpaper, you really should some sort of damp foam/sponge backing or a CAB for a consistent application.

I agree that Valentino's suggestion of a non-spinner application of Resurrection will also bring the surface to 800 grit.
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icewall · « **Reply #8 on:** September 02, 2008, 04:58:52 PM »

very good to know.

ill keep that in mind about resurrection as i have a some left. my pro shop agreed that 800 grit is where I should start then apply the amount of polish/shine that I want.
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icewall · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2008, 01:12:50 PM »

heres an update.

due to charlest and valentinos advice I decided my best bet was a grey pad followed by 20 seconds of snake oil. (sanded AND polished on 4 sides)

its a crummy pic because it was taken by my laptop but it does show that it appears to be at the surface that I was looking for.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/xxicewallxx/Photo1.jpg

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Edited on 9/3/2008 1:13 PM

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2008, 01:31:03 PM »

It appears to be roughly what the GladPearl looks like. The one GladPearl I've seen, new just out of the box, had its surface looking more like a compound polish than a gloss polish. My Ogre Pearl looked a lot like it.

Of course the bottom line is ball reaction, not appearance. Let us know how close we all came to solving this vexing problem.

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icewall · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2008, 03:41:51 PM »

you got it right. the glad pearl looks a lot like the ogre pearl which has that buffed wax look (which is what I think they use from that post you showed me)

im really looking for slightly less skid but if I got it VERY close to OOb thats fine. I will still have to try it on the lanes (bowling fridays 4 man team mixed at jersey lanes, starts this friday)

the look of the polish now is what I was going for. more on the lines of a compound finish but a little less shiney then the OOB that both the G.P. and O.P. have.

I wouldnt call this a vexing problem... more along the lines of half experiment to learn how to achieve the proper reaction and to avoid overlap of my ogre ss and the glad pearl. both were skid snap monsters and im looking to bleed more energy off in the midlane IF I cant then its going back to OOB as close as possible and I will just use it when it works best.

I can always remove it from my current lineup and slip in the buzz at grey scotch brite no polish

it was FAR from being a bad ball. shot 260 ish second time out with it but it was overlapping my ss like i said.

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It appears to be roughly what the GladPearl looks like. The one GladPearl I've seen, new just out of the box, had its surface looking more like a compound polish than a gloss polish. My Ogre Pearl looked a lot like it.

Of course the bottom line is ball reaction, not appearance. Let us know how close we all came to solving this vexing problem.

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Edited on 9/3/2008 3:44 PM

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