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lrtrees

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What do these #'s mean?
« on: February 12, 2011, 06:51:51 AM »
800, 1000, 2000, 2000 Abralon sanded.  More and more I see double #'s at the end such as 2000, 2000 in this example.  I do know what the point is when the ball is finished 800, 1000, 2000, but that second 2000 is where I get lost.
Sorry, is likely a dumb question.
 
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Re: What do these #'s mean?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 06:22:54 AM »
It means that the finish was done twice so the 2000 finish was done twice and all other steps just once.

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Re: What do these #'s mean?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 09:57:44 AM »
Here's my assumption.  Since, manufacturers of bowling equipment use Haus type machines with slower speeds and move in a oscillating motion in their finishing dept.  You can not approximate these surfaces by using a higher speed spinner without the oscillation feature.  You might get close but it's impossible by using a spinner.  If it was me I'd use the spinner on the lower grit and them finish at the higher grits by hand.  Why?  You are removing the Ra/Rs surface values (the peaks and valleys) when using higher grits at high spinner speeds.  If you have a lower speed spinner then it might make sense.  Especially consider time and pressure by hand on the spinner.
 
BTW..... the Haus machines don't do sides like you would have to approximate on a spinner.  They oscillate.
 
When you listen to industry folks like Chris Schlemmer, Chuck Gardener, Jeff Ussery, Paul Figliomini....you hear them say they use abralon pads by hand at lot to adjust surfaces on tour.  I never hear them say spinner.  
 
Just my thoughts as I have quit using a spinner unless taking the ball down to a lower grit and starting over.  It's about the Ra/Rs values for me.


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Re: What do these #'s mean?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 04:46:18 AM »
AFAIK, industrial sanding/polishing is not (only) done by a Haus type machine, but also in "sanding pools" which allow a quicker procedure and bigger volumes. These are vibrating tubs, filles with grinding chips of various roughness - also used for polishing alloy rims. The result may have the same grit as an Abralon pad or directional sanding, but you do not have sanding lines, just a very even and rather smooth surface. It could even be that you get a ball with a 2.000 grit "bath", which i finally finished by a 2.000 grit pad sanding in a Haus device.


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Re: What do these #'s mean?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 07:09:40 AM »
diz,
 
How does EBI manufacture/finish their equipment.  In "tubs in sanding pools" as you describe?  I am interested.
 
In this Ebonite Tour #1 at :16 sec if you stop it there you can see the Haus type machine set up.
This is Ebonite Tour #2  3:09 EBI's DeTerminator type machine to find PSA/MB.  4:00 another shot of their Haus type set up.
dizzyfugu wrote on 2/17/2011 5:46 AM:
AFAIK, industrial sanding/polishing is not (only) done by a Haus type machine, but also in "sanding pools" which allow a quicker procedure and bigger volumes.



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Re: What do these #'s mean?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 05:18:35 AM »

I have seen it in a TV documentary, could be at a Storm plant, but I am not certain since it has been 2 or 3 years. I was surprised because it looked very effective, and is a process which is used to finish alloy wheels at factory level. I remember that several "buckets" with ever finer sanding pellets inside were shown, and the balls would be moved from one bucket to the next in the finishing process. No Haus device was shown, but I am not certain if it was not part of the finishing process and just skipped from the documentary.



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Re: What do these #'s mean?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 07:33:07 AM »
I saw that method in a video about the Storm Plant, but they we only doing it on the cores....

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Re: What do these #'s mean?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 11:44:32 PM »
That might be correct - It has been  along time since I saw that documentary, so memories are a bit hazy.


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