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General Category => Coverstock Preparation => Topic started by: Aloarjr810 on January 01, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
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Okay, My chin dropped. He say's this is a Pro shop resurfacing
Watch as he removes two gouges with a bevel knife (Im hoping he filled them with something before he did that. I looked close no he didn't) , only does 2 sides of the ball because doing 4 sides takes too much time, he then does one side at a time and he uses every grit from P100 grit up to 1500 then polish and then flips it over and does the other side!
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Oh my out of round...
I couldn't watch past the bevel knife part!!
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I've seen PSO's do divots with a bevel knife.
I guess everyone has their own way of doing things.
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Whaaat?
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Shop guy said More videos to come, but in the last 7 months, none was produced. I wonder why?
I kept looking at his sink... the layers of experience....
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Can you say flat spot?
I've never needed 100 grit either. Four (or six) sides is what the customer is paying for so take the extra few minutes and do it better.
With so many newer products that you can patch "divots" and work on them within an hour or so, it's crazy to not fill them first.
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This is frightening on so many levels. Some poor person is going to watch this video and actually copy this guy.
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I hope somebody at least posted underneath to warn everyone that this guy is a menace to society...
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With guys like this out there, maybe we need licensing where you have to pass a competent test before you can have a pro shop dealing/selling to the public. lol
Seriously, if this guy repairs and resurfaces balls like was demonstrated just imagine how he would drill a bowling ball........no thanks!
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He'll demonstrate how to drill the ball using only a hand drill, just like he learned on Youtube (that's a real video too...)
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And this is why I own my own spinner.
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I agree with the consensus. Knowing the answer already....and me being me......I'd love to hear the PSO in the vid attempt at defending that method to this board.
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Are you sure this isn't a joke??
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The ball might look good, but it's got to be out of round.
You can repair deep gouges easily using your regular plug. Clean the gouge, use the smallest dam that completely covers the gouge, mix a small amount of clear plug and pour it. When it cures, work it out just as you do with finger and thumb plugs and you'll have to look hard to tell where the gouge was. This is also a great way to use the small dams that are left after you have used the large ones. -- JohnP
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For the gouges/divots he showed you wouldn't even have to do that. You could clear patch it with a few drops of Master Kwik patch (or superglue) in less than minute.
Say one thing there must be about a whole balls worth of sludge in that tub.
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You noticed that to. At the rate he scrapes & sands covers, that sludge is probably just a couple of days worth.
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Are you sure this isn't a joke??
Oh, it's a joke alright...
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And this is why I own my own spinner.
+1; you got that right. The guy did admit that "if you do it properly, it is too time consuming." Sheesh!!!
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At least he knows the proper way to do it....before doing it different.
Remember when sanded bowling balls came finished that way? Directional lines on the top and bottom half.
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nobody here from the east coast know about this PSO? JIB lanes in Flushing, NY????
There are 25 suckers who like his method..... the two guys I've seen repair divots like this guy no longer operate a proshop. One of the two was caught stealing money from customers and the bowling center. I'm just glad this bowling alley is still open....
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nobody here from the east coast know about this PSO? JIB lanes in Flushing, NY????
This is my PSO. My observations from over 5 years of service:
1. He is or was IBPSIA certified. From discussions with him, I know that he has attended IBPSIA classes within the last few years.
2. He has drilled somewhere between 25-30 balls for me. Only once have I had an issue with a thumb hole where my custom molded thumb slug was lined up slightly off. He was able to correct this immediately and without much trouble. Given the success rate, I rate his drilling technique as excellent and fully trust him with drilling my equipment. For those who are curious, he uses the top of the line Jayhawk setup - it is not a basic/economy drill.
For the gouges/divots he showed you wouldn't even have to do that. You could clear patch it with a few drops of Master Kwik patch (or superglue) in less than minute.
3. I had a gouge in one of my balls (that did not need a full resurfacing) and this is what he did - he patched it, no bevel (the patch even had the right color mix/perfect color blend). The gouge was fixed perfectly without issue. The ball looked like it never had the gouge in the first place.
4. When it comes to picking equipment and drilling, he has no ego and wants to make sure you're happy with fit and layout. I used to go to another driller in the area who gets upset when you request a specific layout that he does not agree with. I know what I need and how I want to lay my equipment out. I do not get attitude for it with my current PSO and he never ever pushes anything on me. Anytime I ask him to get me a ball with specific specs (pin distance/top weight/etc.) he always delivers in a timely manner (he gets shipments weekly, sometimes more often than that).
Now specifically speaking to what's in the video:
Like others here, I would be concerned and not too happy with that bevel technique applied to the coverstock of any of my equipment. He runs a high volume shop, mostly as a one man show. So it's to cut time, and maybe he's comfortable/feels highly skilled with the technique - I don't know. I don't resurface my equipment so it is not a real issue for me to get too hung up about. But I get it...
If anyone has any questions, let me know.
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Sorry man, but this needs to be said.. I hope the days will soon be behind us where people feel they need to jump in a try to defend something that's just basically WRONG, a la that post, Mariah Carey meltdowns, etc... He even said he did it to cut time and it obviously was bad practice with potential to damage the ball.... We can never get better if we don't shine the light of day on these things. I agree with previous posts... Posting that video will have others following him and potentially damage thousands of dollars worth of expensive equipment...
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Sorry man, but this needs to be said.. I hope the days will soon be behind us where people feel they need to jump in a try to defend something that's just basically WRONG, a la that post, Mariah Carey meltdowns, etc... He even said he did it to cut time and it obviously was bad practice with potential to damage the ball.... We can never get better if we don't shine the light of day on these things. I agree with previous posts... Posting that video will have others following him and potentially damage thousands of dollars worth of expensive equipment...
Can you please read my post - actually read it all the way through. I am not trying to defend the video. Please read it. Seriously.
That is all.
Thanks.
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nobody here from the east coast know about this PSO? JIB lanes in Flushing, NY????
This is my PSO. My observations from over 5 years of service:
1. He is or was IBPSIA certified. From discussions with him, I know that he has attended IBPSIA classes within the last few years.
2. He has drilled somewhere between 25-30 balls for me. Only once have I had an issue with a thumb hole where my custom molded thumb slug was lined up slightly off. He was able to correct this immediately and without much trouble. Given the success rate, I rate his drilling technique as excellent and fully trust him with drilling my equipment. For those who are curious, he uses the top of the line Jayhawk setup - it is not a basic/economy drill.
For the gouges/divots he showed you wouldn't even have to do that. You could clear patch it with a few drops of Master Kwik patch (or superglue) in less than minute.
3. I had a gouge in one of my balls (that did not need a full resurfacing) and this is what he did - he patched it, no bevel (the patch even had the right color mix/perfect color blend). The gouge was fixed perfectly without issue. The ball looked like it never had the gouge in the first place.
4. When it comes to picking equipment and drilling, he has no ego and wants to make sure you're happy with fit and layout. I used to go to another driller in the area who gets upset when you request a specific layout that he does not agree with. I know what I need and how I want to lay my equipment out. I do not get attitude for it with my current PSO and he never ever pushes anything on me. Anytime I ask him to get me a ball with specific specs (pin distance/top weight/etc.) he always delivers in a timely manner (he gets shipments weekly, sometimes more often than that).
Now specifically speaking to what's in the video:
Like others here, I would be concerned and not too happy with that bevel technique applied to the coverstock of any of my equipment. He runs a high volume shop, mostly as a one man show. So it's to cut time, and maybe he's comfortable/feels highly skilled with the technique - I don't know. I don't resurface my equipment so it is not a real issue for me to get too hung up about. But I get it...
If anyone has any questions, let me know.
Ask him if he has ever heard of the term "Crosshatch".
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I ran into a clown with this kind of thought process while in El Paso during last years Open.
I had just bought a Lane #1 DIFFerence(Yea, yea, I know, but didn't even pay $200 for it). The second time it ever went down a lane, not the second time it was used, I mean the second throw...EVER... was at the same house where the BTM was being held. It came back when a huge abrasion mark that was about 1/4" deep and 1 1/2" long. Just outside the track, but it still pissed me off in a major way.
The local pro shop clown was there watching one of his buddies bowl and notice I was looking at the ball and decided to offer to "fix it" for me. I told him I was bowling the Open the next day and he said it would be done before then. Then I said, I don't want it sanded down. He said he would only sand the spot where the abrasion was.
I took my ball and left.
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I ran into a clown with this kind of thought process while in El Paso during last years Open.
I had just bought a Lane #1 DIFFerence(Yea, yea, I know, but didn't even pay $200 for it). The second time it ever went down a lane, not the second time it was used, I mean the second throw...EVER... was at the same house where the BTM was being held. It came back when a huge abrasion mark that was about 1/4" deep and 1 1/2" long. Just outside the track, but it still pissed me off in a major way.
The local pro shop clown was there watching one of his buddies bowl and notice I was looking at the ball and decided to offer to "fix it" for me. I told him I was bowling the Open the next day and he said it would be done before then. Then I said, I don't want it sanded down. He said he would only sand the spot where the abrasion was.
I took my ball and left.
It would be even more asymmetrical. ;D :P
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I ran into a clown with this kind of thought process while in El Paso during last years Open.
I had just bought a Lane #1 DIFFerence(Yea, yea, I know, but didn't even pay $200 for it). The second time it ever went down a lane, not the second time it was used, I mean the second throw...EVER... was at the same house where the BTM was being held. It came back when a huge abrasion mark that was about 1/4" deep and 1 1/2" long. Just outside the track, but it still pissed me off in a major way.
The local pro shop clown was there watching one of his buddies bowl and notice I was looking at the ball and decided to offer to "fix it" for me. I told him I was bowling the Open the next day and he said it would be done before then. Then I said, I don't want it sanded down. He said he would only sand the spot where the abrasion was.
I took my ball and left.
It would be even more asymmetrical. ;D :P
Now you just KNOW that ain't possible. It was already maxed out. Unless of course, there were more boards added to the lane...
;D
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"Then I said, I don't want it sanded down. He said he would only sand the spot where the abrasion was."
I hope he meant that he would plug the gouge, then cut down and sand only the area where the plug was. -- JohnP
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"Then I said, I don't want it sanded down. He said he would only sand the spot where the abrasion was."
I hope he meant that he would plug the gouge, then cut down and sand only the area where the plug was. -- JohnP
Nope, he was just going to sand out the "bad spot" as he called it.
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I can't even with this thread.
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Dat polish tho!
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Dat polish tho!
But, But, But...It looks just like the one right out of the box! ???
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Dat polish tho!
But, But, But...It looks just like the one right out of the box! ???
round? :o
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Dat polish tho!
But, But, But...It looks just like the one right out of the box! ???
round? :o
Well, other than that one thing. You're just picky I guess. ;D
Look at the positive though, you can sit it on the flat spot and it won't roll off the table.
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Okay he has high volume shop , He's IBPSIA certified does a great job on layouts, drilling etc.
But when it comes to a lower priority job like surfacing balls, he figures he has experience and knows what he's doing. So he cut's a some corners to save time and on the face of it the results look good.
This makes me think of a garage.
It's a busy garage, the mechanic is certified and does a great job fixing cars. But when it comes to doing just basic maintenance jobs, he figures with his experience he can cut some corners to save time for for the bigger jobs and as long as the car appears to run good the customer won't care how it was done.
Would you want to take your car there to have basic maintenance done.
Cutting corners is fine, until that one time it isn't.
I'm sorry but I just can't see any shop so busy, that the few minutes saved by not flipping a ball would make a difference.
It's not like the balls are shooting down a conveyor belt, like Lucy trying to wrap candy at the candy factory.
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Okay he has high volume shop , He's IBPSIA certified does a great job on layouts, drilling etc.
But when it comes to a lower priority job like surfacing balls, he figures he has experience and knows what he's doing. So he cut's a some corners to save time and on the face of it the results look good.
This makes me think of a garage.
It's a busy garage, the mechanic is certified and does a great job fixing cars. But when it comes to doing just basic maintenance jobs, he figures with his experience he can cut some corners to save time for for the bigger jobs and as long as the car appears to run good the customer won't care how it was done.
Would you want to take your car there to have basic maintenance done.
Cutting corners is fine, until that one time it isn't.
I'm sorry but I just can't see any shop so busy, that the few minutes saved by not flipping a ball would make a difference.
It's not like the balls are shooting down a conveyor belt, like Lucy trying to wrap candy at the candy factory.
if only there was a "like" button.
This hits the nail on the head.
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The point is...........someone's paying THEIR OWN MONEY for a service and in return they're getting a ball out of the round. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's probably what the customer isn't looking for.
That is with regard to this one specific "service" of his shop.
The rest, like LeftyWall was saying........I honestly don't know b/c I have no evidence other than his word....but with respect to this one particular service, that we DO have evidence on, and even though it's a low priority job for his business......if I personally found out about this (how would you not know?) it would be enough to stop doing business there. I simply value my equipment and that shape it is in too much. They are my tools in league, tournaments and brackets. I need my PSO to do excellent work.
I am VERY thankful to have a great PSO that I have a great business relationship and personal friendship with.
I know my shop uses the dam and some clear plug on a couple of combat wounds my Snap Lock received. Out of the track but still frustrating. >:( :P
I digress......
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If they are so busy, they need to buy a HAUS or equivalent and let it go. The practice shown is unacceptable