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Ric Clint

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Trizact
« on: July 17, 2003, 12:28:08 PM »
About the Trizact paper that is supposed to be use  on Brunswick particles:

What exactly is trizact paper? Does it look like regular Scotchbrite pads?

Where can I get it (what websites???) What grits does it come in?



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Re: Trizact
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2003, 03:58:43 AM »
Ric, I'll tell you what little bit I remember about the Trizact.....for some silly reason, I haven't retained the data on it.  Anyway, Trizact looks more like sandpaper, except it has pyramid shaped abrasive particles on it.  The abrasive particles wear down at a uniform rate, thereby keeping the sanded surface at a more consistent finish.
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Re: Trizact
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2003, 08:52:23 AM »
Ric, do go back in time to previous posts in this forum; we posted many, many posts on Trizact. I'll see what websites I can dig up for you.

You can buy from:
http://www.bowlersdiscountsales.com/store/page32.html
http://www.innovativebowling.com/orderform.htm (search, CNTL F, for Trizact)
http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Products/taxi.html

Never bought from these guys, but here it is anyway:
http://www.hsmproducts.com/trizact.html

Here's some additional info I had saved from previous discussions here:

A reply to a question to 3M regarding Trizact, micron and Scotch-Brite.
To extrapolate the micron to grit conversion from 3M:
35 micron ~ 360 grit,
10 micron ~ 1100 grit
5 micron  ~ 1600 grit.
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Trizact and micron(u) grading are two separate things. Trizact products
are graded on their own scale ranging from A6 - A160.

3M Superabrasives are micron graded, that is, measuring the average size
of an individual particle on that product.

Standard abrasive grading is based on the screen mesh used to separate
out the particles for a particle grade. In simplest terms, in a 1"
line of grade 24 product there are ~24 particles. In a 1" line of
grade 600 product there are ~600 particles.

In comparison, 9u=1200 grit, 15u=600, 20u=500, 30u=400, 40u=320

The European grading system (designated by the letter P (example: P600).
This is similar to the standard grading system until you
get into grades finer than 220, then it becomes staggered the finer you
go.

Scotchbrite goes as follows:

7445 is a light duty cleaning pad
7448 is a ultra fine pad, ~1000 grit(S)
7447 is a very fine pad,  ~320 grit (A)
7446 is a medium pad,     ~150 grit (S)

A= Alum Oxide
S= Silicon Carbide
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Another reply from 3M. If we extrapolate the European standard
for abrasives as provided by 3M, the following are the results:

A5  = P3000 = approx, 1500 grit = 3 micron
A10 = P1500 = approx.  750 grit = 12 micron
A35 = P600  = approx.  380 grit = 26 micron

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Trizact is a 3M invented product and is not micron graded. 3M developed
Trizact products in and graded them between A5-A160.

A5 = P3000, A10 = P1500, A35 = P600

Cerium Oxide has no grade, it is used for polishing. It is finer than
P3000, maybe in the 5000-8000 range.
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Ric Clint

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Re: Trizact
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2003, 01:00:54 AM »
Thanks, Charlest!!!



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Re: Trizact
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2003, 01:37:06 AM »
quote:
Thanks, Charlest!!!



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Re: Trizact
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2003, 08:32:48 AM »
PS in my  opinion this stuff really works on Brunswick particles!

I have a Pro Zone Violet!  Every time I think it has died I take it to the local guy with Trizact and he brings it back to life!

(He says it is not supposed to be Trizacted but I have him do it anyway, too early a particle.)  In between I sand it once or twice with 1000 and it slowly erodes performance.

4 years and still striking, and a few too many 7 pins but I love it heh!

REgards,

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Ric Clint

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Re: Trizact
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2003, 02:33:03 AM »
So basically, if I wanted to sand a ball to 320-grit using Trizact, I would need to get this: "Trizact Green (A35 micron or 180 to 600 grit)", that's on the following page about half way down the page under the heading titled, "Trizact "New" Items for the particale technology bowling balls" ???

http://www.innovativebowling.com/orderform.htm




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DON DRAPER

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Re: Trizact
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2003, 12:20:31 AM »
a brunswick employee told me their tie-in with 3M and their trizact pads was a result of several ex-brunswick employees hooking up with 3M as a moneymaking venture---pure and simple. he says use trizact, sandpaper, or scotch-brite pads....whatever's handy. i've used all 3 on proactive balls and can't see much difference in ball reaction. i do, however, like the cerium oxide trizact pad. it's appx. 10,000 grit sandpaper----very rare, but it's great for a balls coverstock if you want it VERY smooth but not dull.
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Ric Clint

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Re: Trizact
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2003, 02:09:22 AM »
CAUTION: This may be a stupid question?

Can you use the Trizact paper without having to do it with the "CABS"? It's just that the CABS are expensive and cost a pretty penny.

Can you just hold the Trizact paper in your hand, turn on the ball spinner, and just use the Trizact by hand?

May be a stupid question, but I didn't know the answer???







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Re: Trizact
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2003, 03:08:06 AM »
The CABS ensure you a perfectly round ball.  If you're just trying to take the surface to a particular value, sanding by hand should be fine.  Remember to sand all 6 sides of the ball evenly.  If you're trying to do a major resurface, the CABS would be recommended.  I've resurfaced balls by hand (regular sandpaper) with no problems, but the deeper the track, the more likely I am to take to a proshop with a Haus or Cook Sphere Machine.
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