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qstick777

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Using a spinner
« on: July 08, 2005, 10:14:18 AM »
Okay, so I made the plunge and bought a spinner - should be here Monday.  I don't know exactly how much use I have for one, but I figured I have a few balls that I'd like to adjust the surface (either up or down).  Problem is I don't know exactly what I'll need.

Does anybody have any advice?  

What the "must haves"?  Sandpaper, cleaners, polishes, etc?

Any tips on the "do's and don'ts" would be appreciated.  I have some older balls I can practice on.

 

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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2005, 06:23:55 PM »
Get some scotchbrite pads in white,grey,maroon,green.

White=1500 grit
Grey=800-1000 grit
green=600 grit
maroon=320 grit

Use plenty of water with a spray bottle.

For cleaning, get you some of Tracks Clean N Dull. Its the best stuff in the world. Get some terry cloth rags and some micro-fiber towels. This will get you started.

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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2005, 06:27:22 PM »
Where did you get it from ? Most places will send a booklet that explains "how to" on just about everything you can do. If not, www.vertexmold.com, has a nice 'how to" as well as jayhawk.com.

Must have..I use Arbalon pads, SB, rags and cleaners/polishes. I'm not sure what you plan to do , but you can also use wet/dry sandpaper, I don't, but a lot do,to each their own..

I'd suggest going to those sites and reading 'how to' and then you can make your shopping list from there.
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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2005, 06:40:27 PM »
Go to your local Pep Boys or auto paint supply store and get yourself a nice range of wet/dry sandpaper.  I wouldn't get anything heavier than 220 grit, and you should be able to find everything up to 2000 grit.  As far as a good polish goes, I have had good luck with Ebonite factory finish polish.  To apply the polish and cleaning agents, I highly recommend the blue shop towels that come on a roll.  They are just like paper towels, but are much thicker and will not tear instantly when they get product on them.  A good deep cleaner is Neo Tac Hook-it.  I have also heard a lot of good things about Track's Clean n Dull.  If you are looking for something a little more economical to get started, Simple Green is a very good degreaser.  I use it full strength, but I know others dilute it.  If you find you want to get more into it, I would recommend a CAB block, although it is not necessary.  The Albralon<spell check> pads are supposed to be excellent, and last a lot longer than regular sandpaper.  

When sanding or polishing, I would use the 6 sided method.  Put the ball in with the finger and thumb holes facing up towards you.  Next would be to flip it over 180 degrees.  Next is with the center of your grip facing you(you will be looking down on the finger holes, and won't see the thumb).  Next is flipping the ball 180 degrees away from you(center of grip facing away, will only be able to see thumb).  The last 2 sides I'm sure you can figure out.  It's much easier to show someone than to describe it, but just think of the ball as a 6 sided cube.  You don't need to put massive pressure on the sandpaper.  Keep a spray bottle filled with water, and spray the ball as you are sanding it.  Just go up and down, it's really easy.  You will also want a tub to put it in to prevent splatter.  I know others here have found some at Lowe's or Home Depot that work great.  

That's all I can think of now.  I probably made it sound a lot more complicated than it really is.  You will figure it out right away.  It is a very nice thing to have around.

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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2005, 10:29:38 AM »
I guess that will get me started.  I already have some scotch brite pads (green and white I think), wet/dry sandpaper (400, 800, 1000, and maybe 1500 & 2000) - gotta dig around the garage and find everything.

I've made adjustments before by hand, but they've always been taking the surface down, never back up.  I guess I was really just wondering about the polishes and cleaners that you can buy at the pro shop.  I've got a couple of balls that I want to take back up to OOB finish, and I think even  1500 wet/dry sandpaper will still look a little dull.  Just wondering if the bottle polishes work best with the spinner and which ones are the best.

I'll check out the pro shop today and see what they have.  If I don't find anything I guess I'll be contacting azguy - I think you are the one with the CPR and other cleaners/polishers.

Oh, BTW I bought the Vertex 1/2hp from Vnadosky.

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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2005, 12:03:27 PM »
qstick,

Get yourself a digital timer bud. It will come in hand when you are resurfacing a ball. Far too many people buy ball spinners to resurface their own stuff and they end up flat spotting the ball due to hitting one side more than the other.

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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2005, 12:06:10 PM »
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qstick,

Get yourself a digital timer bud. It will come in hand when you are resurfacing a ball. Far too many people buy ball spinners to resurface their own stuff and they end up flat spotting the ball due to hitting one side more than the other.

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Yes, I forgot to mention that. I went to wal-mart and just bought a Timex stopwatch with a big display for like $5 and just sit it on top of the motor while resurfacing.

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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2005, 12:07:36 AM »
Okay, so I gave the spinner a try tonight.  Man, that is a little tougher than I thought.  It might have been because I was using it on the floor of the garage (I had it in an 18gal rubbermaid container) and sitting on a small step stool.  It's a lot messier than I thought, and that motor gets hot!

What's the best way to keep the sandpaper from slipping off your hand?  With all that water and speed, I kept losing the paper (I was using the 3" strip folded in half like the instructions said).

Is it better to start the spinner and bring the paper to the ball, or to wet the ball and paper, put the paper up to the ball and then start the spinner?

I'm sure I'll get the hang of it, but it's definately different!  I wish there was a video somewhere that I could watch somebody, or maybe I should take a ball to the pro shop and pay just so I can see how it's done.

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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2005, 06:29:16 AM »
I use a CAB. If you plan on just using your hand, I'd suggest a good pair of dish washing cloves. You'll need them when you use some cleaners or polish.
I'd suggest folding some of the sandpaper over your index finger, holding it down with your thumb. That way it won't slide away from you.

Me...just me, I wet the pad, lay it on the ball and turn on thre motor. I'm sure there are other ways, but that's how I found it better for me.

If your motor is getting hot, you MAY be applying to much pressure and causing it to get hot. Just a "maybe", you don't have to use a lot of pressure...something to look into.
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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2005, 06:34:11 AM »
My advice is to try using the scotchbrites first. they are easier to hold on to.
I like to keep a bucket of water by the side and wash out the scotchbrites and then give them a good shake out. This is between sides so that you have enough water on them to complete the next side. I find this easier that to keep using a spray bottle and wet/dry.
It does get a bit messy as you say so its the best idea if you pick up one of those plastic sheet/covers that you can get for aroung £2 over here. They are usually blue woven plastic and they keep the splashes off the garage wall/floor etc.
If you have to use wet/dry try bigger pieces at first until you get the hang of piching one end between your thumb and hand while keeping the paper flat on the palm of your hand.
Hope this helps a bit. As with everything it takes practice to find what works best for you.
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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2005, 06:58:17 AM »
just curious what type of spinner?and were you pleased with it, i have an innovative 2 speed i love mine
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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2005, 07:11:05 AM »
I feel like an idiot...you were asking about a video. Innovative has one, I think it's $7-8 it came with my spinner. It has a lot of good info. You may want to go to the web site, look at it and get that video, it's a good investment to save a ball. If not, no biggie, just passing on info
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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2005, 07:11:40 AM »
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What's the best way to keep the sandpaper from slipping off your hand? With all that water and speed, I kept losing the paper (I was using the 3" strip folded in half like the instructions said).

 


It's hard to hold on to sand paper, thats why I use scotchbrite pads.



 
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Is it better to start the spinner and bring the paper to the ball, or to wet the ball and paper, put the paper up to the ball and then start the spinner



I start the spinner and then spray the ball with water and then bring the pad to the ball. Just me though.


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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2005, 07:25:57 AM »
See ?...Tim and I start differently, he's not 'right' and I'm not"right", just different....so there's a lot of things/ways to get the job done. You'll find the way that works for you. Not a right and wrong thing, just what or how but , works best for you,
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Re: Using a spinner
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2005, 08:50:48 AM »
What is a CAB?

I started with scotch-brite, but I could only find my green pads.  The ball is a Reaction Arc and it's was pretty beat up (not really bad, but lots of surface scratches and a few deep nicks) so I wanted to go a little courser to see a difference.

I started with 320, then 400, then 600, then some automotive rubbing compound.  I can definately see an improvement.

I think I was just cutting the sandpaper too small (following the directions from vertex).  Didn't really have any problems until everything got wet, then it was just all down hill from there.  Pretty amusing watching the sandpaper fly up against the side of the rubbermaid container.  I'll give the rubber gloves a try too!

I tried both starting the spinner and bringing the paper to the ball, and putting the paper on the ball and starting the spinner.  Both were about the same as far as result - I'll use bigger pieces next time!

I bought a couple of "tire detailing" sponges from wal-mart last year (on clearance for $1)  - they are rounded and actually fit the contour of the ball exactly.  I might try and figure a way to attach the sandpaper to that.  It has a fairly long handle so I think it'll be easy to hold onto.

I guess I could have been using too much pressure.  I just assumed it was from all the use (probably about 20-25 minutes).  I would start it, then realize that I needed something from the house, so I'd get up and run into the house (leaving the spinner running).  I ended up putting some 2x4 blocks on the bottom of the rubbermaid - figured it wasn't good for the motor to be sitting in standing water.  That was when I touched the motor (trying to take it out, dump out the water, and put in the 2x4's).  Caught the inside of my arm on the motor - ouch!  Wasn't really thinking that the thing is slightly lopsided as far as weight distribution!

300jd - it's the 1/2hp Vertex.  So far it seems to be great.  I've only had a chance to use it once.  I'll spend more time with it this weekend, and hopefully get an actually work area set up.  I felt like a kid at Christmas with his new toy.  Out in the garage at 11-11:30 playing with my ball spinner.

I'll check out the website and video.

Thanks to everyone for the help and advice.  I'm sure I'll be posting more after I spend some more time with it!