Author Topic: 500 + 4000 Abralon Surface (Read 12827 times)

Good Times Good Times · « **on:** January 03, 2012, 01:43:07 AM »

How many have / do throw equipment with 500 abralon and then just touched by a 4000 pad?

What condition and equpiment have you found this surface to be most useful on?

Just trying to guage the general feeling about this finish....

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« **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2012, 10:00:06 AM »

House shots. The 500 underlying grit gives it some ability to displace oil effectively, while the 4000 gives the ball easier length through the heads. Remember it only needs about 15-30 seconds with the 4000 depending on spinner speed, water usage, hand pressure, etc. Virtually any ball that you would try polish on might me a candidate for the 500, 4000 finish.

The real benefit of 4000 vs. polish is consistency. Sometimes a highly polished ball can squirt too long in oil and turn to abruptly on the dry. 4000 just gives you a slightly more predictable read on the lanes without (usually) sacrificing carry.

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Edited by notclay on 1/3/2012 at 11:01 AM

completebowler · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2012, 10:27:48 AM »

It is my preferred surface on most of my high performance solid balls. When not using this method it is usually only due to heavy oil and I will then go to 500/2000 surface prep.

Actually I use it often on my HP pearl balls to. Anarchy/Gravity Shift and others come to mind.

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2012, 02:56:36 AM »

notclay wrote on 03.01.2012 11:00 AM:

The real benefit of 4000 vs. polish is consistency. Sometimes a highly polished ball can squirt too long in oil and turn to abruptly on the dry. 4000 just gives you a slightly more predictable read on the lanes without (usually) sacrificing carry.

Very good and correct point. Lately I have been experimenting with my RX1 solid, because I wanted it as a weak dry lane ball. Ball is drilled 5.5" stacked, and I tried OOB, high gloss polish, a Trizact rubbing compound finish (glossy w/o polish), but finally I am back to 4.000 Abralon cross-hatch. All glossy surfaces seemed to make the ball skid much too long as long as there had been oil up front, and the ball would break rather late and abruptly. Hard to control. Besides, the coverstock seems to be too strong for real scorched lanes. Purchase error for the purpose, it seems. But since I have other balls that would fill the bill, I decided to add some surface again, and the ball has become much more playable - just like notclay explained: smooth and earlier read, much better control - a totally different ball! Rather for medium to medium-light conditions now, but more effective.

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Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2012, 06:53:13 AM »

I had been throwing my Anaconda at 1000 + Polish but I bought a Massive Damage (layed out similar) and wanted to keep the Massive as my "shiny strong piece" for league on Wednesdays. Massive is at a fresh 2000 abralon + polish so I wanted to take my Anaconda to 500 = 4000 abralon and somewhat exaggerate the difference since they are somewhat similar. I'm hoping the Anaconda will handle True mediums down to a meduim-heavy oil. Hope this gives me some extra control on some sport patterns.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:55:28 PM »

Lane, in reference to that 15-30 seconds you mention ..... Is that total for the whole ball or per side sanding 2 sides or 4 sides or

?

notclay wrote on 1/3/2012 11:00 AM:

House shots. The 500 underlying grit gives it some ability to displace oil effectively, while the 4000 gives the ball easier length through the heads. Remember it only needs about 15-30 seconds with the 4000 depending on spinner speed, water usage, hand pressure, etc. Virtually any ball that you would try polish on might me a candidate for the 500, 4000 finish.

The real benefit of 4000 vs. polish is consistency. Sometimes a highly polished ball can squirt too long in oil and turn to abruptly on the dry. 4000 just gives you a slightly more predictable read on the lanes without (usually) sacrificing carry.

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
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The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

Edited by notclay on 1/3/2012 at 11:01 AM

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« **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2012, 08:00:28 AM »

Brickguy,

Per side. The more sides you do, the less time on each side due to overlap. For me it's usually closer to the 15 seconds than the 30. The point is that you want to barely smooth out the surface to provide length, but not do it long enough that you smooth out the "micro peaks and valleys" created by the 500. I like to use plenty of water, higher speed, and very little hand pressure.

Trial and error will teach you a lot. Take two similar covered balls (pearl reactives, for example) and start them both at 500. Then hit one for longer at your finishing grit than the other and throw them side by side on the same line of the same lane. You should see a difference as to the midlane and overall reaction. Find out what works best for you and the conditions you bowl on. Hope this helps you.

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Edited by notclay on 1/7/2012 at 9:01 AM

scotts33 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2012, 08:25:44 AM »

I'd do the P4000 by hand rather than by spinner. You'd leave a better Ra/Rs surface of the P500 left rather than using a spinner on the final touch. Think about the speed of a Haus machine vs. the rpm's of a spinner.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2012, 09:34:34 AM »

Lane, one more question here ... On the 15 seconds per side, do you do 2 sides or 4 sides (cross hatched)

notclay wrote on 1/7/2012 9:00 AM:

Brickguy,

Per side. The more sides you do, the less time on each side due to overlap. For me it's usually closer to the 15 seconds than the 30. The point is that you want to barely smooth out the surface to provide length, but not do it long enough that you smooth out the "micro peaks and valleys" created by the 500. I like to use plenty of water, higher speed, and very little hand pressure.

Trial and error will teach you a lot. Take two similar covered balls (pearl reactives, for example) and start them both at 500. Then hit one for longer at your finishing grit than the other and throw them side by side on the same line of the same lane. You should see a difference as to the midlane and overall reaction. Find out what works best for you and the conditions you bowl on. Hope this helps you.

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

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The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

Edited by notclay on 1/7/2012 at 9:01 AM

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tburky · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2012, 12:28:14 PM »

I use the following guide for surfaces when I don't have the time to go to my pro shop and use the storm surface factory.

http://www.stormbowling.com/docs/ballreacionguide2011lr.pdf

My preferred method is to use abralon by hand when I need to do something different with surface on the lanes.

« **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2012, 01:03:03 PM »

Brick,

In addition to the other ideas presented here, I usually do 4 sides. The Storm guide is a good one. Some finish surfaces by hand with good results, but I am too lazy, so between the spinner and the Surface Factory I do fine. Just don't be afraid to try anything. That is how you will find what works best for you.

We all bowl on various conditions and lane surfaces, so try not to get "locked" into one thing works vs. the other doesn't thinking. The spinner I use has a water supply and allows me to do some things that a personal spinner makes more messy or difficult.

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Impending Doom · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2012, 01:39:20 PM »

Would neat pads do the same thing? Like a n pad then a t pad?

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