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Gunny · « **on:** June 27, 2008, 08:06:08 AM »

just received them today, thanks Kevin & Valentino Bowling! you guys are smoking fast with the shipping! the snake oil has a citrus scent to it, and the resurrection has a....i kinda want to say spearmint scent? labels look great and the 4oz containers were filled to the top. i will try and make a vid & comparison with other products if you guys like. one negative i have with all polish bottles and there direction is this....what does "generous" amount mean? each individual has their own idea of that word. so what would you guys say is a generous amount?

quarter size? teaspoon? couple of drops?

Edited on 7/4/2008 10:40 AM

ValentinoBowling · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:14:50 PM »

About a quarter size for Snake Oil, and just a little bit more for Resurrection...Maybe a quarter and a penny (lol)

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:32:26 PM »

I just received my order today also. Can't wait to see what it will do for my AMF Heist that has died and needs new life. Tried different sanding grits with both Track Clean & Sheen and ditto with Brunswick Ruff Buff and the ball still won't do anything anymore.

The Resurrection is my last hope and if that fails, I will simply have to discard the ball. It was one of the best balls I ever had for 4 months and then it started dying a slow death and then the pin setter damaged it and my attempts to resurface it and revive it have failed. Even the hot water treatment didn't do anything for it. Meanwhile my Brunswick Twisted Fury is 2 months older than the Heist is and it is still going strong just like it did NIB.
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Gunny · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:28:57 PM »

quote:
About a quarter size for Snake Oil, and just a little bit more for Resurrection...Maybe a quarter and a penny (lol)

yeah i used a quarter size for the Snake Oil, goes on well with little effort. great shine with a real squeaky/tacky finish. i put about a 50cent piece size for the Resurrection. it also went on well, and left which looked like an 800-1000 grit with a little sheen to it. almost looks like the finish i get when using a Norton Grey Fine pad.

lets see, this is what i used it on.
well see tomorrow how they perform.

Total NV...Resurrection only
Widow Bite...Resurrection & Snake oil
No Limit...Grey pad & Snake oil
Element Zr40...Grey pad & snake oil

also, i like the Franken Tape, i always drill my thumb hole a smidge bigger cause i like to add tape.(thumb swells & shrinks alot). in my opinion, its a good design, just a little on the thin size for my likes. had to use 4 Franken Tapes instead of my usual 2.

Edited on 6/27/2008 9:29 PM

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:59:28 PM »

quote:

also, i like the Franken Tape, i always drill my thumb hole a smidge bigger cause i like to add tape.(thumb swells & shrinks alot). in my opinion, its a good design, just a little on the thin size for my likes. had to use 4 Franken Tapes instead of my usual 2.

Gunny,

When I tried the Franken Tape, I had to add an extra piece of white tape in the front of the hole, because FT made the thumb come out so easily. The FT is like adding a whisp of smoke, if you're thinking it will tighten up anything.

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Gunny · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2008, 10:24:41 PM »

charlest,

i just compared it to my Brunswick tape, and the FT is ALOT smoother. which will help, since the house i bowl at rarely uses it ceiling fans

Gunny · « **Reply #6 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:40:25 AM »

Update on the product and how the equipment performed. results were from a fresh THS on Brunswick Anvilane Synthetics. using a 12-5 line as a benchmark.

Total NV had Resurrection only and first few shots ball had a bit too much legnth and was hitting light. had to move 2 boards right. after about 6 frames it started to react like i wanted it to! maybe needed to track up, i dont know but will test again.

Widow Bite had been a dud of late so figured what the heck, Resurrection + Snake Oil. Ball had come back to life, and had to move back inside playing a 17-10 line. was ecstatic the ball had new life. good legnth and sharp backend. after a game it slowly started becoming a dud again, ball skated and never checked up like i new it should. was weird but oh well.

Element ZR40, using grey pad and Snake oil, WOW is all i can say. was able to play same line as TNV, but had a sharper turn off the friction. to snappy for me so i took a 2000 pad & scuffed the polish off just a tad. was able to play same shot but wasnt jumpy. took it to league next night and pound out 681. 2 days later in league...683. best consistent look i've had all summer.

Comparison to the Secret Sauce...

All the balls except for the No Limit(havent thrown it yet) were done the same with the Secret Sauce. the results were night and day. with the Sauce all 3 balls just skated down the lane with little move to the pocket. was a little change when i hit them with a 2000 pad, not enough to make it to the pocket.

My conclusion...

Resurrection
not sold on it just yet, more testing is needed.
cleans the ball very well, im just not sold on the sheen part of it.

Snake Oil....
Easily applied paste(i like better than the liquid). Gives a fantastic shine with little effort. VERY tacky feel(better than the liquid). Almost as slick as Secret Sauce. the sauce for me in every test just skated like a hockey puck on ice. the Snake Oil isnt as extreme in that extent, but it is snappy off the spot compared to the Sauce making it more forgiving and easier to adjust.

I think both products can be great and could work for any individual on the right conditions. tomorrow im out to do some more tests, cause i have this bottle of Sauce that i really want to work and so far its not working for me. and i hate wasting stuff. so off i go.

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** July 04, 2008, 04:13:31 PM »

Gunny,

If I might make a few comments ...

1. Black Widow Bite: since it worked breifly with a refreshed surface and then showed signs of reduced preformance, all I can suggest is that it is probably in need of oil extraction. They absorb oil INCREDIBLY rapidly

2. Snake Oil, vs Secret Sauce:
SO is no abrasive, meaning it keeps the underlying grit.
SS is very abrasive in that it smooths the surface a lot. It needs, in my opinion, so far, with my own experiments, in progress, a much lower grit level. I suggest a starting grit level of 600 - 800 US scale, as a maximum. Then apply 1 applicaiton of SS on top of it. Any finer sanding level may be too fine and permit too much skid, and therefore too little friction.

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BeansProShop · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2008, 03:40:49 AM »

Remember,
You do not need a quarter size splash of the Sauce. You need 2-3 drops and do not mix it with any other polishes. Always use a new or clean polishing rag/cloth. After the initial application of Sauce on the towel as a base you need 2-3 drops to do a whole ball with some water in a spray bottle. It is very potent stuff and goes a long way.

Unless you are bowling on dirt you don't want to have too smooth a surface before the Sauce or you will see skate on moderate volume patterns..

My best tip with the Sauce is find your favorite starting grit before the Sauce and stick with it. I like 800 paper and 1000 Abralon before the Sauce on my Solids and 600 paper up to 2000 Abralon on my pearls.

As with any polish including the Snake Oil there is no perfect grit or application because all balls have different porosities.

I am working on a more abrasive cream based polish to compliment the Sauce's potency. I just don't want it to be another polish like the others...

Beans

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Gunny · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2008, 08:17:17 AM »

thanks charlest & beans, im headed off to fire off some more in practice. have my ZR40 at 600 with 2 drops of the sauce. your right Beans, the 2 drops didnt put a drastic shine like before. still shiny and a little bit tacky now. i have high hopes for it today.

BeansProShop · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »

Sorry about the bad wording. It a previous post it was brought to my attention about a clean rag/towel being used with the Secret Sauce...

You use a clean/new towel/cloth with the first application only. Then let the Secret Sauce absorb and build up in the towel and you will see you only need 1-3 drops of Sauce to do a dull ball.

Any other questions feel free to message me.

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luv2C10falll · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2008, 05:40:39 PM »

Mr Beans.....dont hijack someone else's tread.That wasnt very nice

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BeansProShop · « **Reply #12 on:** July 05, 2008, 05:47:10 PM »

I did not hijack anything. I replied to a post about The Secret Sauce. i felt I had that right. I did not say anything off color or bash anything. I relied to a comment concerning the Secret Sauce.

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ValentinoBowling · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2008, 06:02:09 PM »

quote:
Resurrection
not sold on it just yet, more testing is needed.
cleans the ball very well, im just not sold on the sheen part of it.

Snake Oil....
Easily applied paste(i like better than the liquid). Gives a fantastic shine with little effort. VERY tacky feel(better than the liquid). Almost as slick as Secret Sauce. the sauce for me in every test just skated like a hockey puck on ice. the Snake Oil isnt as extreme in that extent, but it is snappy off the spot compared to the Sauce making it more forgiving and easier to adjust.

Just give Resurrection a chance! lol, actually the sheen part only happens when you apply the product using a spinner. If you apply Resurrection by hand you will get a 800 matte finish.

As for the Widow Bite, Ebonite's coverstock technology is amazing at aggressiveness and oil absorption. Great Absorption doesn't equal good longevity. As Charlest suggested you need to exact some oil out of the ball, I recommend the Innovative Revivor. Once the oil absorption channels have been plugged with so much oil no matter what surface the ball has it will have recovery problems on the backend. Once the deep oil channels have been cleaned your ready for the one two punch (Resurrection, then Snake Oil) which is the my favorite surface for polished and pearl equipment.

Also, The polishing micro beads remain in the towel, so if you have a towel devoted to Snake Oil you can get 60+ (I say 60+, but customers and proshops report 95+) uses out of an 8oz. bottle. All you have to do is spray the Snake Oil towel with water to rehydrate the cream base and then add a dime size of Snake Oil to the ball. Since our product is a cream it is easy to measure out and there is no waste

Good Luck and Good Bowling
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Edited on 7/5/2008 6:02 PM

FBM357 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2008, 06:28:25 PM »

though I'd try 'over polishing' my Break Pearl with Snake Oil. Ball is like a marble ..

Anyways, went to the lanes this afternoon with a few bowlers from my league for some practice. We paid the owner (usually do whenever we want her to oil our pair) to run the Kegel Lanewalker on our pair. Threw the BP a few frames, and noticed the ball not only held line (why not, it's polished pearl

) but had some 'Wicked' recovery!!! I wasn't anticipating this kind of movement, but wanted to see just how it would fair and what kind of surface adjustment I'd need. Basically a test! At first, the line played had a slight 'belly' in it, but soon after, I found myself moving left and giving a little more room.

After the session, I immediately wiped my bowling equipment with Track Power Wash (had mine before Ebo took over) and the extreme tackiness was restored.

Gunny, Snake Oil is the deal!!!. Resurrection is realy nice as well. You have to be 'realistic' about using the stuff, as you can't expect every ball you throw to have a 'boomerang' effect when using this product. But you can expect restored performance and in some cases, above restored performance. However, you WILL NOT see diminshed performance!

Good stuff!

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