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mw11x300

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Valentino Products
« on: September 17, 2008, 01:00:43 AM »
There has been a great deal of discussion on this forum about the products, but I just received the sampler pack and thought I would provide a quick review.  I tried Ressurection, Snake Oil, and Remedy RX on three different balls with varying results.  All balls in question were honestly filthy before using the products.  Ressurection was used twice, once as a clean and final prep on my Ressurgance, and secondly on a Gravity Shift followed with an application of Snake Oil.  Remedy RX was used on my Rival in "lane polished" condition.  All products are easy to use and provide extremely tacky results. Frankentape is simply awesome, it is very slick, yet takes up no space in the hole.  This is great for those who like a very tight thumbhole.  I used a piece of it in each ball tested.

Ressurection provided a very nice finish on my Ressurgance very similar to box finish.  Ball rolled smoothly yet was far too strong for the lanes I was testing the products on.  

The Gravity Shift used Ressurection followed by Snake Oil.  Maybe I didn't apply the Snake Oil properly, but I was expecting a bit shinier finish.  I have used Finesse It and Secret Sauce for the last few years and am used to seeing a little shinier finish.  Overall the Snake Oil provided nice length without creating a ball that is easily thrown through the breakpoint.  It seems very similar in reaction to a ball shined with Finesse It.

Lastly, and the the real highlight, Remedy Rx.  I used this on a Rival that has about 400 games on it and was looking pretty sad.  I typically keep my equipment clean, but I have slacked off lately.  Remedy Rx cleaned every bit of junk off the ball and left an extremely tacky finish.  Threw the ball in league and shot 299 with a stone 9 first game out ending with 752 for the night.  Overall this and Frankentape are by far my favorites in the sample pack.  It is my belief all of the products will be winners with a little experience in using them.

 

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 01:18:34 PM »
Three Cheers, HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY!

Great Bowling! you were throwing the ball great to leave a stone 9.

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 01:27:50 PM »
I'm also very impressed with the Valentino products.  I've had very good results using Resurrection by hand, achieving a nice sheen surface that works well for me.  And I'm still experimenting with Snake Oil and what surface grit matches up best with it for me.  Now I'm waiting for my first order of Remedy Rx to arrive.  Based on the very positive reports so far, I've got high expectations for it.

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 01:59:10 PM »
For Snake Oil, we recommend sanding a ball to 800 grit or using Resurrection, then applying Snake Oil.
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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 02:14:17 PM »
Last night for my extreme wet dry fluffy handed league I applied Snake Oil to my Uranium HRG which was already sanded to 4000.

The ball looked like a mirror, it took a shine well.  The overall length was good but the ball appears too strong overall.  There was just toooooooooo much great wall of weak wristers to keep even this marble on the right side of the head pin.

I'll be testing the HRG on a less stand left throw right shot Saturday but from what I've seen I like Snake Oil as opposed to Ultimate Black Magic XL.
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dballz

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 09:45:19 AM »
for the Snake Oil, there was a comment made that one should hit the ball with 800 first. why is that? what if you want the surface to be 2000 before you polish it? will it not work the same?

i am just curious. i just received my sample pack, so i am trying to learn a little more about the products, before i use them on my equipment.

thanks!!

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 09:59:26 AM »
Similar question as dballz...being an Abralon user, I have 500, 1000, 2000, and 4000 pads on hand.  Not sure how to get 800 unless I use a worn 1k pad.  So would a new or used 1000 Abralon pad with Snake Oil react similarly to the 800 w/SO?

I have a Break Pearl in OOB finish that was drilled a bit too strong.  Looking to get a few more feet of length before the breakpoint.
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dballz

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 10:00:52 AM »
i am wanting to take my momentum to 2k abralon and then polish it.

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 10:36:30 AM »
If snake oil is similar to most polishes, applying to a finer underlying grit should result in more length and flip.  I guess I was merely asking why 800 grit is the preferred starting point.  Being the finish of Valentino's Resurrection product is 800...they base their Snake Oil results after using Ressurection.

Today I ordered some snake oil and will do some experiments.  One thought I have would be to hit my OOB Break Pearl with some Powerhouse Clean and Dull then apply the Snake Oil.  However I fear this may be too much length.  
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dballz

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2008, 10:59:07 AM »
Scraps Z, that was the question i had about the starting point as well. normally i usually just go with the surface i want to use, and put the polish on top. so say my black widow bite was at 4k abralon w/ factory finish. to clean/re-polish it up, i would just hit it w/ 4k and then put the polish on it.

but if starting at 800 and working your way up to your desired surface each time is better for results, then i will begin to go that route with each ball.

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2008, 01:25:55 PM »
Understood...IMO ball starting at 800 or 1000 but going up to 2k or 4k will still be at 2/4k.  Personally I use the condition of the cover to determine my starting grit.  If it's beat up or tracked, then I will start lower (360 or 500).  However if I am only changing polish, I start at either 2000 or 1000 then work my way up to the final polish coat.

I was more or less interested in the difference between applying the Snake Oil directly to 800 vs 1000.
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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2008, 02:44:05 PM »
I originally applied Snake Oil after first using Resurrection (800 grit), but found FOR ME that I got just a bit too much length/inconsistency on the typical lane conditions I see in league.  Next I'll try Snake Oil on some 600 grit (green scotchbrite) balls to see if that works better.  But so far, I'm a firm believer in the sheen that Resurrection gives.

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2008, 03:09:22 PM »
500/1000/2000/4000 grit Abralon works great, Resurrection Works GREAT! (leaves the surface at an 800 grit sheen), Trizact works great, wet/dry sandpaper works great. Any sanding technical and method is a great pre-step before polishing with Snake Oil.

We suggest 800 grit as the surface for polish equipment because this is the out of box surface for most polished and pearl balls. You are going to see the best results and strongest reaction with this combination.

From there, you can then experiment what works best for you and you center. If you need more length with a powerhouse backend then your going to try a 2000grit/Snake Oil, if you need only a touch of length your should try a 500 or 600grit then Snake Oil. Snake Oil doesn't change the underlying grit, so you can really fine tune your ball for tougher conditions and PBAX conditions.

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2008, 04:48:58 PM »
Guys,

Like Kevin said.
I have used Snakle Oil on almost everything from 600 grit up to a Trizact cerium oxide pad. That includes 800 grit and Abralon of 1000, 2000 and 4000 grit. Depends on what you need from the ball.
I have used SO by hand and by spinner. It works fine either way. By hand, of course you get less shine.

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Re: Valentino Products
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2008, 08:17:46 AM »
thanks Kevin and everyone else for the information.

time to experiment!!