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Weight hole
« on: February 18, 2015, 07:49:40 PM »
Can I decrease flair (hook) with a weight hole?  And if so, how much less flair?

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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 08:20:34 PM »
A flare reducing does exactly that reduces flare...go 2.25" inside the pap towards the grip towards the pin
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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 11:32:43 PM »
Probably one of the more asinine responses I've read from you.

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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 06:11:32 AM »
Probably one of the more asinine responses I've read from you.

Please explain your reply and how Justrico is wrong. I am curious.
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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 07:26:54 AM »
Probably one of the more asinine responses I've read from you.

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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 07:46:27 AM »
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A flare reducing does exactly that reduces flare...go 2.25" inside the pap towards the grip towards the pin

Well maybe it could have been worded better.


A flare reducing Hole does exactly that reduces flare...go 2.25" from the pap towards the grip towards the pin.

Not clear on the "towards the grip towards the pin." part?

is it towards the pin? or towards the grip? if it's in between just where.



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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 10:14:26 AM »
If you place a weight hole on the inside of the VAL...which by the way is NOT a straight line but a curve...the flare inverts or tightens instead of increasing
The maximum location would on a line between the pap and the pin but any weight hole placed on the inside towards the grip will minimise flare
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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2015, 12:55:23 AM »
A flare reducing does exactly that reduces flare...go 2.25" inside the pap towards the grip towards the pin

I think this is accurate if you are working with a ball that has a pin that is 3 3/8 from the PAP.  I don't think it is going to decrease the flare the same in a 5 1/2" pin to pap ball.

Putting a hole at the low RG axis will decrease the flare the most.  Before drilling, this is the pin. After drilling, the low rg axis usually moves right of the pin a bit.  This depends on the drilling and gripping holes though.
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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2015, 07:36:05 AM »
As many of these as I've done the vast majority have been with pin to pap distances between 5-5.5"...you don't want the pin at 3.375" as that's max flare and you're only going to minimize so much
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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2015, 09:04:05 AM »
As many of these as I've done the vast majority have been with pin to pap distances between 5-5.5"...you don't want the pin at 3.375" as that's max flare and you're only going to minimize so much
You have to understand what you're doing before you do it not blindly leap...

I was assuming that the original poster was talking about a ball that has already been drilled.  If you are looking for minimal flare, of course you do not want to drill a ball at 3.375" pin to PAP and max flare.  The 2.25" from PAP hole may reduce the flare some on a 5.5" pin to PAP ball but that hole isn't going to reduce the flare the same for every pin to PAP.  I think there are better locations to reduce the flare as much as possible for a given ball. Going with a set 2.25" hole from the PAP isn't going to do that.  I'm pretty confident that a hole on the low RG axis, after the ball is drilled, will reduce the flare the most.  Static weights do limit the location and size of the weight hole though, so sometimes that puts limitation on what you can do.
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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2015, 09:08:12 AM »
I've done this on numerous bowling balls and layoyts I know how much flare it can and will decrease...I've done this in a practical sense not a hypothetical one...
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Re: Weight hole
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2015, 09:21:52 AM »
I've done this on numerous bowling balls and layoyts I know how much flare it can and will decrease...I've done this in a practical sense not a hypothetical one...

I guess we are both right then. 
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