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I am captain consistent..149-173-276!OH YEA BABY!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 01:58:27 AM
Please correct me, anyone, if this is not correct.
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Post by: MTFD24 on December 29, 2003, 02:01:37 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 09:38:23 AM
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Post by: channel surfer on December 29, 2003, 10:31:21 AM
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Hook-It should NOT be left on the ball, as it is very strong. Follow the instructions on the bottle! There have been cases where people have had Hook-It open up (spill) in their bowling bags and ruined many items, it seems to like to "eat" plastic.
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Hook it is pretty much the same as paint thinner(just modified). I dont understand how its ABC legal.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 12:08:08 PM
First let me say that I have some Hook-It, but have not tried it yet. The two of you are making assumption statements. You have no proof that it hurts the ball to leave it on and neither do I, but you don't hear me saying it will hurt the ball if you leave it on, or I'm surprised it is legal as it is pretty much the same as Paint Thinner, which is another assumption on your part. It is approved by ABC/WIBC so it is not the same as "Paint Thinner."
Now, what I said about it is what I "think" Mr.Buzzsaw UK said as he uses it once a month on his balls and has done so for quite some time without harming them. I have Emailed him to see exactly what he said. You don't hear me saying that it is "this" or "that" and you won't at this point because I don't know and neither do either of you.
Better yet, why don't the two of you Email Neo-Tac and put the question to them and see exactly what they say. I can't find their Email address or I would, and I can't call them because I have a hearing handicap.
Sorry for my getting so wound up fellows, but it doesn't set right with me on anything that someone "ASS/U/MEs", because they have no facts or proof.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 12:51:34 PM
You are another person talking on assumptions. Yes, the bottle says not to get on Vinyl Inserts. You are correct there. I never said it was OK to get on the inserts. However on the rest of what I said, you don't know what you are talking about because you have no proof and you don't know and are posting on "assumptions"....And neither do I and you have not seen me post "I know."
I am not supporting leaving the Hook-It on overnite, nor am I condeming it. I have only reported here what I "think" someone else that uses it all the time said.....And I have said that I have Emailed him for exactly what he said and I have also asked for people like your self to contact Neo-Tac because I can't find an Email address and I am "hearing impaired" and can't talk on the phone. Otherwise, I would call them myself and reported my findings on this site. I will copy and paste on this site Mr. Buzzsaw UK's exact words when I hear back from him.
If you call Neo-Tac and they tell you this leaving it on overnite will damage the ball, thats OK with me. I have no problem with that. I never did say it wouldn't hurt to leave on over night.
Geezzz, if everyone would read exactly what I said in my posts to this Topic, it would save all of us time and typing. Find proof. Find results. Then post real information and not assumptions. Also, you wrote:
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BTW it says right on the bottle, Do not store rags used to clean ball ON the ball. Wonder why it says that?
-IEQ
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IEQ, something is wrong with your eyes. Go back and read what the bottle says again and you will find that it says:.... "Do not store paper towels on or in your bowling equipment." It doesn't say bowling balls, it says bowling equipment.
I refuse to post on this Topic any more at this time as I don't care to argue without facts and I don't have them and neither do you. You are free to say what you want, but I won't respond until I have proof one way or another.
I do own a bottle of Hook-It, but have never used it, may never use it, and I really don't care whether or not I ever use it as I use Doc's Elixir to keep the oil out of my balls, so I really don't need the bottle of Hook-It....No, I didn't buy it. It was given to me by the Pro Shop Operator whom received sample bottles from Neo-Tac to pass out.
Edited on 12/29/2003 2:12 PM
Post by: channel surfer on December 29, 2003, 04:29:34 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 04:39:55 PM
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Actually im postivite. We had hook it tested in a lab. Its pretty much the same has paint thinner. Which explains the reason for eating plastic. ANd therefore.. No, dont leave it on the ball.
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Channel did you test it on a Reactive Reisn Bowling ball or a Particle ball???
Sure, it will eat up a plastic ball, because a plastic ball is plastic.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 04:45:20 PM
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Post by: Borincano on December 29, 2003, 04:49:25 PM
The Elixir's main purpose is to slow down and virtually eliminate oil absorption into todays new high tech expensive coverstocks. This is accomplished by a chemical process that does not affect the overall performance of the coverstock. It allows all coverstocks to function as they were intended whether Particle, Reactive Resin or Urethane. Whether the coverstock is polished or dull the Elixir.
Then you are set for the night.
Post by: channel surfer on December 29, 2003, 05:03:51 PM
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Post by: MTFD24 on December 29, 2003, 05:41:02 PM
I am a firm believer in Neo-Tac products, besides Hook-It the Re-New It is also a product I use regularly. After showing people how well these products work, I have many others using it as well. First I have them "clean" their equipment after bowling until they can no longer get any dirt/oil off the ball. Then I take a clean towel and use Hook-It. They are amazed at how much more dirt/oil is removed from a supposedly clean ball.
But I do stand by my statement that it is very strong, and best not left on a ball for an extended period of time.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 06:41:17 PM
Thanks for taking the time to call Neo-Tac. I appreciate it. I honestly do. As I have already explained, I couldn't call them because I have a hearing handicap and cannot talk on the phone. Other wise I would have called them at the beginning of all of this conversation and saved all of us a lot of time and typing. As I have previously said, I don't really care one way or the other as I don't use the stuff and don't intend to use it.
In regards to your quote:
Posted: 12/29/2003 6:22 PM
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Brickguy,
Urethane is still a plastic. Resin balls are based off urethane balls and are still "plastic", actually they are a much more complex polymer, but still a plastic. Same with particle balls, as they are resin's with some particles.
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Plastic is plastic and Urethane is a form of plastic. No one argued that the Hook-It could be safely used on these balls. As for resisin's and particle balls, I can't debate with you whether they are a plastic or not a plastic as I simply don't know. I do know however and you do to, that since Hook-It eats plastic and vinyl, how can a person use this Hook-It on these balls with out harming them????....There are no cautions on the bottle that says that it will eat the balls.
MTFD24 in his latest post has said almost exactly the same thing that Mr. Buzzsaw UK has said in terms of cleaning the ball, putting the Hook-It on, surprised at how much more dirt and oil still comes out of the ball, and etc. The only difference is that MTFD 24 has said that he wouldn't leave it on too long, (he didn't say to get it off immediately) whereas I have repeated over and over again here about leaving it on overnight, that I said "I 'THINK' MR. BUZZSAW UK SAID OVERNITE." I never said that is exactly what he said, I said "I THINK."......so to define and interpet what I said, that means maybe so, maybe not.
IEQ, we all look forward to the reports from Neo-Tac. Hopefully, if that Hook-It eats balls if left on too long, they better put this on the labels of their bottles or else they could end up buying a lot of bowling balls (thousands) as there is nothing on the bottle label that cautions about the length of time it can be left on the ball.
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Edited on 12/29/2003 7:42 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 29, 2003, 08:02:39 PM
Just kidding. See you tomorrow.
JIM
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Post by: MTFD24 on December 30, 2003, 05:10:12 AM
"Shake well before using. Apply to a clean paper towel. Using a circular motion, rub on one half the bowling ball. Continue to rub until all the product is removed from the ball. If a film remains on the ball surface continue to rub until film is removed. Repeat on the remaining half of the ball. Keep the product from contact with vinyl inserts. Discard paper towels after use. DO NOT store paper towels on or in your bowling equipment."
Pretty much says NOT to leave on your equipment for any length of time. Also the part about leaving paper towels in or on your equipment, they are talking about ones that were USED and have the product on them. That is a mild disclaimer so as to any damage done by the powerful product.
I am a firm believer of the Neo-Tac products. They have proven their superiority to not only myself, but others that tried them after using their own.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 30, 2003, 05:14:54 PM
Then while waiting I bathed my son in it! 18 months, didn't even use any water.
Yowsa did he let out a screatch! Then we rolled him across the floor and he seemed to veer a little bit to the right.
I then put some towels soaked in hook it on my ball and left them on for a couple of days.
Took the balls straight to the alley and threw them with paper towels on them.
They seemed to definetily hook earlier and skid less with the towels on them.
I thought possible the extra hook came from the now much stickier inserts and the extra lift I was getting, but no even when the paper towels finally came off it seemed like the ball was hooking more. When the lane manager came running down screaming something about towels on the lane I explained I was just testing a new product and if he piped down he may get in an upcoming ad.
He did ask me to help clean up the pp towels. I showed him how much the balls hooked and he was partly impressed. When I threw my son down the lane he had to agree that he did seem to really hook early and veer a little to the right.
(Son barely got past the arrows). I explained we hadn't rinsed him with water for two days and wondered if this was approved by ABC rules.
Anyway this stuff really does seem to grab earlier and get just about everything to veer harder towards the pocket.
I approve. I'm going to now go read the directions and see if everything I'm doing is OK by the Rule book, and recommended by the company. Do you think so?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS it was a fun trip for my son too, as he really likes to be rolled sideways alot. Seemed to be happy to get a water bath though!
PPS, Mama, is getting ready to soak her feet, wonder what a little hook it in het foot bath will do?! Maybe a little surprise for her! This stuff can be used just about everywhere!
Post by: MTFD24 on December 31, 2003, 05:53:14 AM
You forgot to mention, did you get an honor score? How was the baby set up, stacked leverage?
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 31, 2003, 10:46:55 AM
REgards,
Luckylefty,
Likes to roll on side not head over feet! On the hard alley that's tough!