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legend4life95

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What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« on: April 11, 2005, 10:36:13 AM »
I am going to order the 1/2 horse vertex from buddies soon. I just want to know what else I need to start resurfacing and adjusting surfaces. I have wet/dry sand paper in 400/600/800/1000/1500. Do I just hold the paper with my hand and apply medium pressure to the ball? Or do I need those round discs? I have never used a spinner so what do I need? Thanks, Tim


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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2005, 06:42:40 PM »
water, spray bottle, lower grit paper if you want to do a full resurfacing, polishes, cleaners.

Check out jayhawks website, they have some good tutorials on the 6 sided approach to ball resurfacing. Haven't you ever seen a pro shop sand/ polish a ball before?
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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2005, 06:49:21 PM »
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water, spray bottle, lower grit paper if you want to do a full resurfacing, polishes, cleaners.

Check out jayhawks website, they have some good tutorials on the 6 sided approach to ball resurfacing. Haven't you ever seen a pro shop sand/ polish a ball before?
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I have all of that already except lower grit paper. How low do you start with for resurfacing?

No I have never watched anyone use a spinner. My proshop guy has a back room where he does that at. What is the link to the website you are talking about?


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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 06:55:07 PM »
http://jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_s_Corner/Resurfacing_Tips/resurfacing.html

Theres a link to one article, if you look around the site, I'm sure you can find the 6 sided technique i am referring to. I personally don't have a spinner, but the people i've seen start at 180-200 and work there way up from there. I've seen some people go lower than this also.
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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 09:36:41 PM »
I like to use a small kitchen sponge and wrap a piece of wet/dry around it.  That helps provide a larger contact area between the paper and the ball.  

The lowest grit I use is 220.  The instructions I have always gone by say that you should only decrease the grit by 50% for each round of sanding.  So if you wanted to do some heavy-duty sanding (starting with 220 grit) and end up with an 800-grit surface, it would take at least 4 cycles to get there, using 220-360-500-800.  If you sand all 6 surfaces, it will take at least 15 minutes to finish the ball.  

I would also recommend getting some Abralon sanding pads.  They are somewhat pricey but are long-lasting and do a good job at sanding and surface prep.  Do a Google search for more information.  

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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 09:48:38 PM »
You might want to pick up some Scotchbrite pads as they are pretty useful too.

From the Unofficial BR FAQ:

SANDING
These are the methods that I use;
4 Step:
1. Holes facing up, sand for 30 seconds
2. Rotate the ball 180° to where holes are facing down, sand for 30 seconds
3. Rotate the ball 90° , sand for 30 seconds
4. Rotate the ball 180°, sand for 30 seconds
6 Step
1. Same as 4 step
2. Same as 4 step
3. Same as 4 step
4. Same as 4 step
5. I use this step when I am trying to get a small length change because 1 grit smoother or courser is too big a step. I base the ball position off of my track and the desired change;
More length – sand parallel to track
Less length – sand perpendicular to track
6. Rotate the ball 180°
I find that using these 2 extra steps works better for me, when I use a bit of polish with courser grit, for slightly less length or with the current grit for more length, it becomes harder to replicate the surface.

POLISHING
I use the same ball positions as in my 4 step sanding method. I start by polishing for 30 seconds per step and adjust from there for desired reaction. If I need to remove a small amount of polish I use a white scotch bright to achieve the slight dulling affect.

SCOTCHBRITE GRIT CHART (courtesy of Charlest)
3M Scotch Brite Nylon Pads:
7445 - White pad, called Light Duty Cleansing - (1000) 1200-1500 grit
7448 - Light Grey, called Ultra Fine Hand - (600-800) 800 grit.
6448 - Green (?), called Light Duty Hand Pad - (600) 600 grit
7447 - Maroon pad, called General Purpose Hand - (320-400) 320 grit
6444 - Brown pad, called Extra Duty Hand - (280-320) 240 grit
7446 - Dark Grey pad, called Blending Pad (180-220) 150 grit
7440 - Tan pad, called Heavy Duty Hand Pad - (120-150) 60(?)

Green Scotch Brite is available EVERYWHERE. It's 600 grit.
Blue Scotch-Brite is considered to be about 1000 grit.
(The value inside the parentheses is directly from 3M.)
3M Chart
Less Aggressive --------> More Aggressive
7445 7448 6448 7447 6444 7446 7440
Finer Finish --------> Coarser Finish

TRIZACT GRIT CHART (Courtesy of Charlest)
A long while back when this confusion first arose I sent an email query to 3M who invented Trizact and manufactures it. This is their answer:
To extrapolate the micron to grit conversion from 3M:
A35 ~ 35 micron ~ 360 grit,
A10 ~ 10 micron ~ 1100 grit
A5 ~ 5 micron ~ 1600 grit

Trizact and micron(u) grading are two separate things. Trizact products
are graded on their own scale ranging from A6 - A160.
3M Superabrasives are micron graded, that is, measuring the average size
of an individual particle on that product.
Standard abrasive grading is based on the screen mesh used to separate
out the particles for a particle grade. In simplest terms, in a 1"
line of grade 24 product there are ~24 particles. In a 1" line of
grade 600 product there are ~600 particles.
In comparison, 9u=1200 grit, 15u=600, 20u=500, 30u=400, 40u=320

DULL-MATTE-SMOOTH-SHEEN
"Generally" classified as follows:
Dull finish: below 600grit sand paper and green scotch brite
Matte-smooth finish: Between around 800grit and 1200grit sand paper or grey scotch brite
Sheen: finer than 1200grit
Best way find out the actual box finish is to contact the manufacturer.

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5


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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 11:04:57 PM »
If I were you, I'd spend the money and buy a CAB..I think bowlersparidise has them, but it's a handy thing. I can not keep even pressure on the ball (old hands) unless I use it. It also works great for sanding, SB pads and polishing, I use it for just about everything.

I prefer the Abralon Pads, a bit more, but last a LOT longer. toolpeddler.com has them. You can go from 180 to 4000, fit on a CAB and I love the result I get from them, better than sandpaper (more money, but better IMO)


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legend4life95

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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2005, 07:03:29 AM »
Thanks guys! This is alot of helpful info.

azguy, those cab discs are the ones I was thinking about in my original post. Are they needed or is it just a preference?

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legend4life95

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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2005, 05:20:00 PM »
Also, is the tub worth the $40 or could I just go to wal-mart and get one of those rubbermaid rectangle tubs for like $5 wouldnt that be just as good?

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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2005, 09:10:47 PM »
legend -- The WalMart tub will be just as good, just be sure it's the size you want.  --  JohnP

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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2005, 09:33:50 PM »
I'm old, so for me...it's a "Have to have" item. I can't keep even constant pressure without one. Some, maybe most, might not need them, but I will always use one. $25-29.00 is well worth the knowledge that you are doing a good job, but then I do that for other people, they expect a good job for what they pay. I can't blame them, that's why I will always use a CAB.

I use a plexy-glass(?) backing on my wall for splash, I want full access to the ball and a tub just doesn't give me that. To each their own.

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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2005, 09:34:36 PM »
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rubbermaid rectangle tubs for like $5 wouldnt that be just as good?

I have a 1/2 HP Vertex Spinner. I bought a Rubber Maid Tub complete with Lid at Walmart and it is perfect. When I am done using the spinner, I simply put the lid on the tub and store it until next use.

The tub is called...."Rubber Maid Rough Neck", 18 Gallon or 68.1 Liters. Size is 24 x 16 x 16.5......Hope this helps.

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legend4life95

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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2005, 10:01:18 PM »
Yeah, I have a few of those rubbermaid tubs already for storing stuff in the garage. I thought it might be a good fit and should be deep enough...just wanted to see if anyone else had tried it.


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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2005, 10:33:41 PM »
GO to www.vertexmold.com this is where I bought my spinner and they and they have good instructions for sanding and polishing. They were great to deal with.
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Re: What do I need with my Ball spinner??
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2005, 06:53:23 AM »
Well, I just ordered it from buddies last night...so hopefully I'll have it soon to do some experimenting.

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