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Ric Clint

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What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« on: March 23, 2004, 01:02:23 PM »
I e-mailed TRACK and I asked this question, "Does the Clean N' Polish contain any abrasives? I know that it's supposed to shine a ball to 5000, but what kind of abrasives does it have in it? And is it safe to use on Particle, or just Reactive coverstock's?"

And TRACK replied back with, "The Clean N' Polish polishes to 5000 and has NO abrasives, and yes, you can use it on particle."


Do what??? It has NO abrasives??? Then how does it polish a ball? I guess it's kind of like Black Magic, in that, it doesn't have any abrasives to help it polish a ball... ???



PS... They also told me, "we have no grit ratings on our polishes but Magic Shine is the best polish out there because it still leaves some tackiness."

Does anybody that's used the Magic Shine know about how high this polish can gloss a ball up to... 2500, 3000, etc...???




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LadyW

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2004, 11:35:37 PM »
I've been using the Clean N Polish after every league session on my polished Hammer Solid.

I thought I read on some other posts that it polished the ball to 1500-2000.

I too would be interested in some additional info on this product and the Magic Shine.
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Ric Clint

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2004, 02:55:43 AM »
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I've been using the Clean N Polish after every league session on my polished Hammer Solid.

I thought I read on some other posts that it polished the ball to 1500-2000.



As far as I know, the Clean N' Polish is a 5000 grit polish.

If I'm wrong (or even right) please chime in and give your opinions... I'd like to know either way!

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Ric Clint

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2004, 09:41:41 PM »
Anybody???




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da Shiv

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2004, 07:37:43 AM »
It seems to me that Clean 'N' Polish MUST have some kind of abrasive in it or it wouldn't do what it says, which is produce a 5000 shine.  Whether it really is 5000 or not, I don't know, but I do know that it is the highest shine I've ever seen.  It makes a higher shine than Storm Xtra Shine, which advertises a 3500 shine.  As an experiment, I tried Black Magic (black label) polish on top of Clean 'N' Polish, and the Black Magic DULLED the ball.

Clean 'N' Polish makes an extremely high shine.

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kendog

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2004, 11:22:10 AM »
I don't care what "grit" precisely is in a polish. But the initial question that Ric Clint asked is one I want to know also. If all the polish is just "abrasives suspended in liquid" then why do we experience such different results between the different products? I could see using either a "chemical" method of altering a bowling ball surface, or a coating of some kind, filling in imperfections that a product may leave behind to produce a shine on a ball. So I think the initial question posed is a valid concern. Maybe I'm wrong about the other two possibilities I mentioned as being true. After having problems with the Black Magic, I had to wonder why one polish works on a particular ball and another doesn't.
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Brickguy221

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2004, 11:37:16 AM »
Jaborni, what about the difference between Storm's Steps 1-2-3. I have all three, but have only used Step 1 so far as it seems to apply a shine far shiner than 800 grit. More like a 2500-3000 shine. I am scared to apply either one of the other two because with my low revs I'm scared the ball will slide on thru the break point. I would think that an 800 grit shine would look something similiar to scuffing a ball with 800 grit wet-dry sandpaper, but that is not the case. It all confuses me. Can you clairify?

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da Shiv

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2004, 11:43:10 AM »
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They don't answer the questions because they don't know the situation


Evidence has been mounting for years in support of this theory.

 
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It's just a polish....not a core design.
 


Evidence is pretty slim that they know what they're doing with core designs, too.  I can't picture a team of brilliant physicists working on bowling ball core designs.  They come up with an idea and we're the guinea pigs.  Core designs that work keep reappearing in new balls, usually at lower prices because they're "old" technology.  "Old" technology that works can also be referred to as "proven."  That's why there are so many excellent mid and low price bowling balls available.  But I'm digressing off into another topic I've been thinking about....

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da Shiv

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2004, 11:51:27 AM »
Brickguy221--
     You might just be seeing the difference between 800 grit POLISHED and 800 grit DULL.  That difference can be big in ball reaction.  If you went over the ball with Hook-It after using the Storm Step One, it would dull the ball considerably, but it would still be an 800 finish.

There's another possibility, as well.  Did you start with a shiny ball?  I think Step One works better at bringing a duller (400, 600) ball up to an 800 level than it does at taking it down from a shinier level.  This is just how it seems to me.  

I think we all have to just experiment.  Accurate information from the bowling industry is in short supply.

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Ric Clint

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2004, 05:24:07 AM »
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This just proves my point I tried to make in another thread. Tech support people dont have a clue. Most of them are there to process the flood of mail that comes in and shut the customer up. Whoever made the statement that this polish has no abrasive is completely ignorant of the product his own company sells. AND he is stupid to boot. Anyone knows that if you want to make something smoother you have to wear down the rough and make it smooth. Polishing is the act of wearing down the high spots on the texture of the ball. To do this you need an abrasive. 5000 grit sandpaper would work too. In this case, the silica was suspended in a liquid vehicle. In short, IT IS abrasive or it cannot polish.



Greg T,

If you think that's crazy, then check out what Storm told me in an e-mail when I asked about their polishes:


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"Hi, the higher the grit rating of the polish (meaning 2000, 3500, 5000,) the less abrasive the polish is against the surface of the bowling ball."
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Do what??? The LESS abrasive???

Doesn't this person have it backwards? Shouldn't it be, "the higher the grit rating of the polish, the MORE abrasive the polish is against the surface of the bowling ball"???

Think about it - the more gloss that you want a ball to have, the more abrasive you'd have to have to get it polished up that high. If you want to polish a ball up to 5000 grit, then wouldn't you need some really strong, higher abrasive polish?





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ozsweet

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Re: What TRACK says about their own POLISHES...
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2004, 06:15:20 AM »
If you've ever refinished furniture you would know that the higher the Grit rating, the less abrasive it is. YOU ARE NOT RESURFACING YOUR BALL, you are polishing it. If you have a ROUGH surface to start with, using 2000 grit, 5000 grit polish, sandpaper, scuff pads, will take forever to get the finish you are trying for. That's why when sanding, you start with rough (low grit rating) sandpaper and work your way up until you get the smoothness you desire. The polishes you are mentioning have abrasives in them that are actually helping you end up with a certain grit rating once you have completed the process. Polish is there to add gloss / shine (PLEDGE, etc - does not sand down your coffee table) and is not removing surface from your ball
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