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wireman

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how to change surface first move
« on: November 16, 2010, 03:02:47 AM »
I am going to start playing with surfaces on some of my stuff and was curious which way most of you go with the finish first? Do most of you go down to a rougher surface first?
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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 11:20:30 AM »
Not to be facetious, but it would depend on what you have now, and what you want it to do different.
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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 11:57:48 AM »
Ok let me try to clerify my question. I know generally polish increases length which delays reaction, but what if you take a solid down to say 1000 then light polish will it still have an early read just less? and more backend? And would a pearl that you take to a rougher surface still act like a pearl with a slight amount of earlier hook? I am struggling to put my thoughts into words because I am trying to get a grip on the whole surface adjustment thing.
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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 12:26:36 PM »
OK.

 First, don''''t really think of surface changes as changing the backend reaction, think of it as changing the length before the reaction occurs. The backend reaction is a product of the energy input Vs the energy stored. It will be altered, but by the amount of energy the ball retains at the breakpoint.

 Yes, polish does tend to create length, but that is relative. There are many factors that relate to how a ball will react to surface changes, but here are some generalities that will get you started.


 If you have a dull ball, then add polish, the ball should have more length and store energy better for helping the backend reaction.

 If you have a polished ball, the dull it down, the ball should start earlier and burn energy faster on its trip down the lane.

 You can adjust a balls reaction by using different grits on the surface PRIOR to polishing it. The FINER the grit, the more length you create and the more energy you store. The LARGER the grit, the less length you have and the more energy you burn, and the faster you burn it.


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 If you have two of the same balls, with the only difference one being pearl the other solid, the solid will tend to start just a bit sooner than the pearl due to the pearl additive changing the nature of the coverstock.

 If you do the same changes to each ball, the difference between them will remain.

 If you put the pearl ball at 500ab, then put the solid at 4000ab with high gloss polish, you will MOST LIKELY end up with an early rolling pearl and a skid/flip solid. In this case, the dull pearl would have more hook POTENTIAL than the polished solid.
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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 06:04:25 AM »
Normally if I am going to change surface to anything I will always do the same process, even if I am repolishing to the same surface or to a higher polish, that way the surface is more consistant and somewhat repeatable.  I'll start at 500ab and step up to the grit i want.  For instance, if I have a ball at 1000ab+polish and it is still too early, i'll start at 500ab, then 1000, then 2000, then polish.
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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 08:49:09 AM »
thanks for the replies! this info is very helpful! your explanations are on point. Now all I have to do is wait for my spinner, cant wait!
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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 05:45:34 AM »
Just as an addendum to Juggernauts excellent post: remember that surface prep is the biggest factor to influence a ball's reaction and utility. Adding polish, a rougher grit or the combo of these (plus stuff like rubbing compounds, different sanding directions, grit combos) offer a wide range of options.
In many cases it is trial and error and educated guesses into which direction to move, but I'd suggest just to try this route. You learn a lot about the equipment and your game, too, when you see how a ball "changes" with just a little turn on the spinner.

Besides, surface is always a compromise between the reaction's sharpness, traction and control. Most of the time it is a trade-off, and you will have to sort it out by yourself whether a certain prep works or not. Just do not hesitate to keep on experimenting when the reaction you get does not suit your needs - this process is IMHO a very important part of the game.

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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 05:58:07 AM »
I've gone away from using a spinner for final surfaces on equipment.  A slight use of a pad for the final surface that I want is what I do and touch up every few weeks.  The speed of a spinner, amount of pressure and the amount of times a pad has been used whether abralon or SIAair or other media makes the final finish to different IMO.  Hand application seems to do a better job.
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Re: how to change surface first move
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 09:10:18 AM »
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I've gone away from using a spinner for final surfaces on equipment.  A slight use of a pad for the final surface that I want is what I do and touch up every few weeks.  The speed of a spinner, amount of pressure and the amount of times a pad has been used whether abralon or SIAair or other media makes the final finish to different IMO.  Hand application seems to do a better job.
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I agree with this. I have went to this method recently and have gotten better results. Plus, it gives you more options.
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