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dizzyfugu

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Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« on: September 13, 2007, 07:58:02 PM »
Hello,

I am tinkering on my Awesome Finish's surface, and try to get it to a finer grit than 4.000 Abralon without polish.

After some search I found a 3M Trizact compound, that seems to be the answer - it is used to level finest sanding lines in the 2.000-3.000 grit area. It has (European?) product number of 50077, is oil-free and supposed to be easily removed from the cleaned surface.

Here is a pic of a 1 litre bottle: http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/aa/4d/0090_1.JPG

Anyone know the stuff or tried it?
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2007, 05:14:22 AM »
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_GB/3M-Automotive-Aftermarket/Home/-/Product-Catalogue/?PC_7_0_BBL_nid=48BKBN58QSbeWVGXTW9PWXgl
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 06:28:38 AM »
never hear of it until I saw this. Have not seen it locally or on the internet.

Does it have any grit listed?

If it's a 3M product, there will be a complete description somewhere in the 3m webpages, but many times they are hard to locate. Use web search tools, as per usual.

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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 07:09:28 AM »
CharlesT, tt seems to be abrasive, but at a very fine level. What I found out from German online vendors is that the stuff is supposed to be used after fine grit sanding with Trizact or similar pads, to even out the finest sanding lines in the ~3.000 grit range - for automotive use and paint preparation, oil/fat free. Should IMO work on a ball surface without risks.

I think I will order a bottle, even though 1 litre will be enough for the next 20 years I guess, but the stuff seems to fill the finish "gap" between a truly polished ball and a 4.000 Abralon finish, because I am currently looking for such a solution. White Trizact, which should fit the bill, too, is not available around here anymore

But if anyone has used this stuff or knows what it does "on the living subject", I'd be glad about any input
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 11:29:55 PM »
Looking for Trizact via websearch and found an American supplier/seller of this stuff:
http://www.repaintsupply.com/pd_perfectit_3000_trizact.cfm

Here it is called Perfect-it Trizact.

There seems to be a few places that still carry white Trizact. Here's two
- http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=6602&familyName=3M+Trizact+PSA+5+Inch+Film+Disc+568XA+
- http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=132-224

So I assume it's still available here in the US, if not in Germany where you are, dizzy.
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2007, 06:57:24 AM »
I am back, got the stuff and already made the 1st experiment.
It is part of the Perfect It III kit, and does exactly what I hoped for:

The 3M 50077 is a very fine rubbing compound - I think the grit is at least half of Rough Buff, and it comes in a fine emulsion as carrier. I tried it immediately on my 4.000 grit Abralon Awesome Finish (which just has 3 test games to it after the refinishing), and it just does as advertised on the bottle: it evens out the fines sanding lines.

I hit the AFi from 4 sides (20sec. each, I was careful for the beginning) with a soft cotton cloth, and the result looks like high gloss polish - but with the tackiest glossy finish I ever witnessed (*squeak!*). The fine sanding lines can still be seen, but it is effectively a polish without polish and leaves a pure and clean ball surface.

I haven't tried the ball yet, but I expect it to be violently responsive to dry lanes now - what would be O.K., combined with some earlier read that I want to achieve without the polish wax.

So far, 3M 50077 looks promising and ball-compatible. I will post pictures and lane test results this weekend, I'll give the ball a try this evening in training.

Stay tuned

PS: Thanks a lot CharlesT! If I am lucky I might have found a very good replacement for the pads with this compound.
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2007, 07:18:09 AM »
quote:

Stay tuned

PS: Thanks a lot CharlesT! If I am lucky I might have found a very good replacement for the pads with this compound.


I sincerely doubt the compound you are referring to is going to replace the 5, 10, and 35 micron discs.  It actually looks like a follow up to a grit in the 5 micron range, so maybe it could replace the white cerium oxide discs, but even those have a texture you can feel and see.
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 07:20:33 AM »
Yes, the white pads' replacement (or find something that does belwo 4.000 grit, which is the finest sanding I can achieve around here before I have to resort to polish) is what I hope for. 50077 won't be the same as a white pad finish (but I will experiment with it, with various base grits), but it is so far the best "replacement" I was able to find around here and effectively get my hands on
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 10:53:59 AM »
FYI I still have a couple of white Trizact pads and used them recently. They are definitely much finer than 4000 grit Abralon. When you apply polish on top of that, you have more than a mirror!
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 06:57:29 AM »
Hmmm, I am back, with trials on Friday and Sunday morning, but these did not yield valid resulty because the lanes were both times too dry and/or ridden for the AFi to be used effectively. Anyway, it looks as if it goes recation-wise in the right direction: still good length through the heads as long as there is an oil film in the heads, but imporved grip once the ball hits the dry - but since there had been too little overall oil on the lane to judge burnout tendency and control at the breakpoint, this has to wait, hopefully until Thursday in training, when the lanes will be fresh.

Anyway, I made some picfs while the ball was on the spinner. You will find 2 pics of the re-finished ball (looks like high gloss polish, but it is in fact the pure high-high-grit PK18 solid coverstock) as well as of the 3M 50077 stuff on the ball:

http://www.putfile.com/dizzyfugu/images/147844

I keep on working on the topic
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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2007, 06:21:59 PM »
Dizzy,

On Ebay, today, Saturday, October 6, I am seeing not only the Trizact 3000 grit liquid, but also 6" foam-backed (just like Abralon ???) Trizact hook-it (velcro backed) pads for as little as $30 plu sshipping for a box of 15 pads.
(Standard price can be as much as $76 per box inthe US, plus shipping.)

I think this is all very intresting, given the recent extreme strengths of some ebonite, Track and Hammer and Roto-Grip coverstocks, where many balls are finished with 2000 and 4000 grit sanding (plus sometimes polish).

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Re: Anyone tried 3M Trizact polish on a bowling ball?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2007, 09:55:58 AM »
Back from testing, with some ambigous results.

The good thing: the 3M stuff works - it is easily useable on a bowling ball and does not affect the surface/coverstock in a negative way.

I made some test games with my Awesome Finish, and my first impression was confirmed: 3M 50077 leaves a glossy but very tacky, pure coverstock that is highly aggressive to dry boards. While I had problems with over/under at the breakpoint with the polished OOB finish and some early (but more predictable) read at 4.000 Abralon, the added compound adds length and lets the ball glide through the heads with ease as long as there is some oil film left. But beware the ball reaches dry ground!

I found a very sharp and continous move off of the breakpoint. Compared to the polished finish on the same fresh lane, I was able to move deeper with my feet (28-30 with OOB polish, played across 3rd board vs. 32nd board and played across 17th board at the arrows, breaking 2-3' earlier than before and covering more space on the lane) and swing the ball. Finally, the dreaded recovery problem with this ball is gone since the Awesome Finish has a much better traction now. But other problems persist

Only drawback so far is that the ball kept up its, er, ambiguity: either strikes in a row - or splits. And it changes without warning. One test game started with a Turkey, followed by 5 different splits in a row, and then again strikes as if nothing had ever been.
I hoped that this would improve with the new surface finish, too, but it seems to stem from other problem sources - I suppose that I simply create too much entry angle with the ball, and I an considering a flare-reducing balance hole to tame this beast down a bit.

I will put some more games to the Awesome Finish in a different house when I have the opportunity to do so, just to cross check the results. But so far, 3M 50077 can be seen as another useful and unexpected weapon in the bowlers' arsenal!
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