Author Topic: 2 15/16 X 3 3/4 layout?? (Read 1852 times)

LaneHammer20 · « **on:** March 01, 2007, 02:16:14 PM »

ok I just had someone who is a well known excellent ball driller in my area, I took my Terminator to get a balance hole in it, and to see if my PAP was right when I got it found by someone I didn't think they knew what they were doing. The person I took it to first said it was 6 1/8 over, 0in up, well he was wrong and has now drilled my Terminator in a way I didn't want, I wanted it 3 1/2 x 3 1/2, so when I found out from the much better pro shop driller it was 5 5/8 across, and 3/4 up, we cheched to see what drill layout I had on it, it turns out to be 2 15/16 x 3 3/4.

I am wondering if this is still a strong layout for my Terminator, because I wanted it to be my heavy oil ball, and even though it is still real strong, I was wanting it to be a leverage drilling or real close. All in all what kind of reaction does a lyout like this give someone, is it close ebough to 3 3/8 x 3 3/8 to not really worry about or what??? Thanks in advance
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2007, 10:51:45 PM »

You're basically asking if you could tell the difference between
2 15/16" x 3 3/4" and 3 3/8" x 3 3/8" drilling of a Terminator.

Meaning if you moved the pin 7/16" and the CG 3/8", what difference would you see in the ball's reaction?

My personal belief is that you, Parker Bohn, Sean Rash, Chris Barnes and Norm Duke would be very hard pressed to tell the difference. VERY hard pressed!

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Edited on 3/1/2007 11:49 PM

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 01, 2007, 11:07:55 PM »

yea I may have not worded that very great, my main point was if I am that far off in the hooking power with that drill than a full leverage dilling, because that was what i was set out to do with it in the first place, and me rushing into things let a driller who deosn't even believe in using your PAP for layouts layout my ball in a way that I thoght would decrease its strength being the pin is close to my PAP, since I heard the closer you get to your PAP avfter being at 3 3/8 from PAP you start reducing the balls hooking power.

Oh and why I was there we put a weight hole in the ball to make it legal, it had 1 3/4oz illegal side weight, he drilled one about an 1 1/2in. diagnal from my PAP to make it legal, he drilled that 13/16in. wide and 2 1/2in. deep. IS the 2 1/2in. dep ok, I have really only heard of people going 2in. deep. Sorry for all the questions, somehwta new at this. Thanks
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-Hawgzilla
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 01, 2007, 11:36:17 PM »

I would think with the 2 1/2in dep weight hole you would be entering the core?

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-Big Bang
-Buzz
-Absolute Power
-Black Widow
-Hawgzilla
-Spare Tire

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2007, 08:32:37 AM »

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On the majority of cases, I find common ground with Charles...

This time I do not...

Almost 1/2 an inch difference pin to pap for me is extremely noticable, and can be the difference between a ball rolling out and continuing through the deck.

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For some balls, those with high flare potentials, it is remotely possible, that a very sharp eye can tell, when there are 1" or more changes in pin position. But unless you knew ahead of time and were looking for it, there just is not going to be that much difference in ball reaction, especially with less than 1/2" of difference in the pin's position.

PLUS the Terminator's RG differential is only .040, not some of these huge numbers like the Immortal's .080.

You may be an extremely rare breed of observer to tell that tiny a difference. (And I am not saying that you are not.)

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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2007, 08:38:58 AM »

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yea I may have not worded that very great, my main point was if I am that far off in the hooking power with that drill than a full leverage dilling, because that was what i was set out to do with it in the first place, and me rushing into things let a driller who deosn't even believe in using your PAP for layouts layout my ball in a way that I thoght would decrease its strength being the pin is close to my PAP, since I heard the closer you get to your PAP after being at 3 3/8 from PAP you start reducing the balls hooking power.
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Well, one other item -
ALthough the flare won't be that different, those numbers reflecting that the pin is on the PAP side of leverage rather than the track side of leverage also mean the ball will start reacting sooner than later and THAT could be a very negative factor.

Besides all this discussion, you need to test the ball out on several conditions and decide if it's right for you. YOur release, ball speed, oil patterns, etc will decide how the ball feels to you. It's a little different, but you may find it suits some purpose other than your original one. How well it suits you is up to you.

Also, don't be afraid to plug and re-drill. Done that a number of times and usually most balls will retain plenty of core to do at least 3 drillings and retain plenty of power. (Just did that with a Big Kahuna and an NS2, 3rd drill for each, one 15 lb and one 16 lbs- that still hit "Legends" hard.)
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