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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: rayx22 on July 28, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
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What kind of reaction will this give me? Theoretically, it would give a "benchmark" type reaction. The drilling angle is halfway between 10 (early) and 90 (late), it has a strong pin distance, and the VAL angle is halfway between 20 (quick) and 70 (slow).
Just wondering if anyone has actually used this layout, and what type of reaction you got.
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if your rev rate is 450 this is a horrible layout as, without not knowing the primary differential of the core in question, it will cause over flaring or flare out which translates into an inconsistent reaction down lane....if your rev rate is 150 it will create a decent ball motion and overall flare.
Now take ball speed into consideration, who knows...if your ball speed is 18+ and not knowing the amount of cover surface the ball may never read. If your ball speed is 11 then it will more than likely flare out.
Choose the correct bowling ball for what you desire in ball motion and make sure the cover is prepped to meet that requirement. Then worry about the layout...layout should match your specs as far as what type of bowler you are.
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In order of importance/influence:
- core
- cover
- surface
- layout
If your professional driller can get the first 2 of these items correct, then other 2 are just tweaks
JustRico is right on.
Other factors are much more important than layout
Ball selection is so important to match up to YOU, your factors.
then you can worry about the other things
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Yes, I understand that core, coverstock, and surface are MUCH more influential than layout when looking to achieve a desired ball reaction. This was merely a question of curiosity. But thanks for the responses.
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In order of importance/influence:
- core
- cover
- surface
- layout
I remain perplexed .....
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What kind of reaction will this give me? Theoretically, it would give a "benchmark" type reaction. The drilling angle is halfway between 10 (early) and 90 (late), it has a strong pin distance, and the VAL angle is halfway between 20 (quick) and 70 (slow).
Just wondering if anyone has actually used this layout, and what type of reaction you got.
You don't pick a layout.
You have your release/delivery specs.
You bowl on an oil pattern and an oil amount (& lane surface)
You find a ball that will suit the oil pattern/amount and be suitable for your release/delivery with several variations from the basic surface
Then you determine a layout that will suit the way you want to play that pattern, amount, i.e. give you the best ball reaction)
Then you adjust the surface, as necessary, to aid that drilling and the oil you see.
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Charlest, you're a freakin muse. I want to see you write for btm.
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Charlest, you're a freakin muse. I want to see you write for btm.
Hell's Bells, it's 90% what I learned from BTM over the past 17 years!!!
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Pick a ball that is designed for the lane condition you face,(light, med, or maybe heavy oil ect)
Then match a drill pattern to that ball and your style for desired condition.
Then adjust surface as needed.
Or pick the biggest hooking ball on the market to use on light oil,
then drill the ball to go long,
then complain when the ball doesn't work well on said conditions.
That is what most bowlers seem to do theses days.
55x4x50 layout on two different balls, one at 1:07 the other at the 2:15 mark. Read the notes for the condition bowled on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8AfaE0R3Mo
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Got mine from Bill Monce, pretty sure he is qualified
Not exactly rocket science though, tons of info out there
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Got mine from Bill Monce, pretty sure he is qualified
Not exactly rocket science though, tons of info out there
I also like his ideas and concepts very much.
I just never heard anyone put the core first. Even someone, who I would expect to do that, Mo Pinel, just attributes more to the core's influence in the ball's reaction, than most people. Most "experts" put the cover over the core by around 70/30 or 60/40. I've never heard of anyone giving the core more influence than the coverstock and its surface.
I suppose the best counter example currently is the Taboo Spare. It has undoubtedly one of the strongest cores ever made, the Black Widow core; yet its coverstock is polyester, suitable for only the driest of conditions as strike ball.
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A big part of the core idea for me is already factored in with the coverstock and the intended ball reaction from the manufacture.
Like the the Taboo Spare, it is still a spare ball. When that plastic cover comes in contact with a THS or most other conditions, all of the core technology available won't change what the cover on the ball is designed to do.
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if the bowling ball is not allowed to slow down the core is irrelevant....cover & amount of surface is number #1
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Doom don't let Charlest fool you, he was offered a contract by BTM, Jeff wanted a signing bonus of a dozen Hostess Twinkies a week, BTM offered an off brand so Jeff is still unsigned.
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*sings* Ain't nothin like the real thing, baby. Ain't nothin like the reeeeeal thing.
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So many kind words from Tekneek and Impending Doom.(FYI it's Ring Dings, not Twinkies) I must also thank Rico for so many good ideas and a grounding in the concepts behind drillings for true effect.
Learning is only good when you can help others also to understand.
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Charlest...I am a true believer in simpler is better...it is those that tend to either make it harder or believe that it can't be that easy....the truth is a funny thing sometimes
And thank you I try
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I stand corrected, found my paperwork from Bill's class
major brain fart
coverstock - 50% of total reaction
core type - 20% of total reaction
texture - 15% of total reaction
layout & tweaks - 15% of total reaction