For those of you that have 90 degree axis rotation I was wondering what some of your fav layouts were. I think I've tried a lot of different ones but have yet to settle on one that I prefer above others. Mostly I use anywhere from 5&1/2 to 6" pin to pap. Pin 3&3/4 to 4" above mid-line.I've used 25,30,45,75,90 105,130 degree pin to mass bias layouts but have yet to really come up with a favorite. i would catoragize myself as rev dominate because my ball speed is typically somewhere around 13.5 mph using cubica at the back of the lane. I really can't throw the ball harder due to a back injury several years ago.I've also tried a lot of full roller layouts (pin in the 7:30 direction) but typically they hook too much for my ball speed and lane conditions.I have a pap measurement of 6&1/4 over and 1&1/2 up.I track very high just missing the fingers by 1/8" and usually track over the thumb but that really doesn't bother me or seem to effect ball reaction.Would like to hear some other high trackers favorite drills.

                           Thanks,
                           Mike E
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With an inverted track you have to take what lower tracks do and flip it so a smooth reaction for you would be pin an in away from ring and up and kick cg left
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Thanks for the replies. Anyone else?
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I have a high track but little to medium axis rotation and little tilt. It tends to blend the reaction shape on most balls and they are less sensitive to wet-dry. Sorry back to you. High axis - if you have high tilt can make for eradict behavior. I'm suprised you like the 5-6 p to p drills. I would have guessed 1.5 to 3 inch pin to pap pin up high over the midline and cg back toward center of grip. If you have little tilt lower degree systems with longer pin make sense to me but it all depends on what you shoot on anyway. I like pin ups 4.75 to 6 inch and mostly polished stuff to retain energy longer or my low axis and tilt bleed off too much too early. I have worked hard to increase my tilt and axis rotation as before any lanes med-dry or less ate me up for lunch.

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BUT...for this lefty(usually more oil) with strong axis rotation and often very sharp backends my ball will execute.  (little axis tilt(say 10 degrees)).

I have had wonderful luck back when there was head oil with 45 degree angle drillings with weightholes on PAP.

However as there seems to be less and less oil coverage these days than several years ago...these don't seem to work as well for me!

I have also started to use some 135 drillings and while in the old days(oil volume in the heads) they made me miss my break point, today they seem to take out the midlane that many lanes I bowl on these days seem to provide(ie very very very little oil coverage after 15 feet).

To summarize when the lane is supplying a ton of friction the 135 works for this strong axis rotation bowler(usually this style of bowling combined with this drilling on oil pushes the ball past the breakpoint)....not on the condition I just described.


REgards,

Luckyleftyu
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Edited on 9/10/2007 12:24 PM

Huh-What? I can definitely tell you from my experience that the pin to pap distance still matters.I've tried everything from leverage to 6&1/2" P to P. IT MATTERS. 90 degree axis rotation or not it still matters.
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