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jhutch769

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Drilling Oval Thumbs
« on: July 31, 2007, 08:59:14 AM »
Hello all,

We have an Innovative Drill with the suction cup to hold the ball and digial scales for the pitches.

We also have flat headed mill bits.

However, we have yet to find a good way to figure out how to mill the holes, usually make them too big.

A friend of mine just gave us a couple of micrometers to use.  When I measure the width of my thumb |------| I get .900, but could get away with being as low as .885.  The other measure of my thumb thumb nail side to pad side is around .790..  So, with those measurements, and an oval degree of 35 or so..  I cannot remember exactly, I am not in the proshop..    What do I do with those numbers?  

Also, someone sent us an oval chart for interchangable thumbs, According to those numbers, which do I use to get the oval size?  An example is a size 57 is 0.890 and 0.796 (the width and height of the thumb)

 

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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 05:06:55 PM »
What we do is use the ebonite pro shop managing computer program to determine the table movements.  For example, you type in thumb size, oval size, and angle, and get the movements using the digital readout.

Ex. Thumb - 61/64
    Oval width - 1.031
    Oval Angle - 50

Oval thumb table movements


1st cut - .036 horizontal, .040 vertical
2nd cut - .034 horizontal, .038 vertical
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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 05:37:30 PM »
What we do is take the two measurements and subtract them from each other. The number you get is the amount that you need to move the mill to cut that part off the oval. You need to mill out .110 off the thumb. Im not sure how your press works, but with my press (Oval-Matic, no Vaccu suction) we drill out the regular circular hole, then rotate the jig to 35 degrees to the right. Then i would move the lateral (left/right) gauge one full turn and then .01, which would be going from 1 to 2, or 2 to 3, etc. Then you mill out that much and off you go.
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jhutch769

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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 05:43:34 PM »
Ok, but I guess my real question was, how do I determine my hole sizes using the micrometer?  What you described was how to move the table to get the angle right?

jhutch769

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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 05:52:56 PM »
Bowler, I understand that, we use a VaccuJig, cannot rotate the ball like you describe..

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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 05:58:34 PM »
Just use a calculator.  For example 59/64 is around .9219 .  So find the drill bit that is the closest to what you measured the nail side to the pad size, and use the program (if you have it) to get the rest.
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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 06:12:28 PM »
my thumb is not shaped normal from alot of bowling..its 3/4 at nail or pad and is 1 inch at widest pt from side to side..it is 5/8 measuring from front to back at pad and 1 inch right past knuckle at widest pt(from squeezing a callus)..i would love to find a way to drill my thumbholes where it doesnt feel like there is so much play down in my thumbhole where the pad of my thumb sits..
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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 06:12:51 PM »
my thumb is not shaped normal from alot of bowling..its 3/4 at nail or pad and is 1 inch at widest pt from side to side..it is 5/8 measuring from front to back at pad and 1 inch right past knuckle at widest pt(from squeezing a callus)..i would love to find a way to drill my thumbholes where it doesnt feel like there is so much play down in my thumbhole where the pad of my thumb sits..
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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 06:53:43 PM »
You have to dril the oval based on the largest size of your thumb.  That is front to back and side to side, not at the nail.  The measurement should be around your middle crease.  This may be a bad assumption, but I assume the calus on your thumb is probably near the side to side measurement.  You may have to include this size as your side to side measurment, unless it is in a different spot.  I have an ovalmatic and not the type of jig that you do.  Use your inside calipers to measure the circle hole.  Then using the conversion chart, as someone alreay mentioned, get your oval coordinates and drill it to you side to side measurement, again checking with the caliper.  when you are done, the hole front to back should equal your front to back measurement and the oval part should equal your side to side measurements.

do not make the oval to tight, you will hang up especially if this is your first oval.  Once your calus goes down, modify your side to side measurements accordingly.  Get use to using the inside caliper, this is the only way you can accurately drill out an oval.

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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2007, 07:07:26 PM »
stan i didnt start the thread...and didnt mean to hijack it if i did...but no, i have a callus on both sides and back of my thumb..
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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2007, 07:31:09 PM »
I should have assumed the numbers were the fraction for the drill bit..  Duh...  


But what size do I use for the pilot and which do I use for the mill?

I am totally clueless...  Which is why I usually just drill my own stuff  

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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2007, 10:32:44 AM »
Cool, that is what I thought..  Thank you all..

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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2007, 11:53:12 AM »
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Re: Drilling Oval Thumbs
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2007, 03:55:49 PM »
Use Vise ProV2 Oval thumb sleeves.  Takes out the guesswork, and gives you a consistent feeling ball to ball.