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Borincano

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Any good drillers here?
« on: November 28, 2004, 05:35:23 AM »
I got a Morich WMB and a V2 Sweet for which I will like some input frm the guru'sof this site as to what type of drill layout I should have so as to maximize the use of the bowling balls mention. I have a relax span of 4 7/16 and 4 3/8. Oval thumb with zero pitch all. Axis rotation is 45, tilt is zero, speed of 17 to 18. PAP is 4 7/8 and 1/2 up. I basically throw through arrows 3 and 2. Standing at 29 for 3 arrow or 19 for 2 arrow.

Will appreciate greatly your input. After that I will post a video and then you can disect my bowling form and then have fun.

Thanks.
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Borincano

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2004, 04:47:09 PM »
Bob, what you express in the first paragraph is what I am looking for. Yes.
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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004, 04:49:15 PM »
Will the King of the Mill give some input.
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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2004, 02:25:33 PM »
Hey Boricano,

Check with KOTM or Excaliber in regards to the WMB.  Aside from his great knowledge, I read or heard that KOTM has drilled quite a few already(Morich forum) and with the enhanced mass bias strength of this ball, it really is much more sensitive to a layout.  Excaliber also attended Mo's seminar and he's drilled about 6 or so already.  Mo hasn't hit my area yet that I know of but I'll probably be going to this one when they do.

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2004, 09:08:28 PM »
I am sending them messages. Let's see if they answer. I have 5 kegs ready to be served.
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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2004, 07:23:23 AM »
"tilt is zero"?
possible, but I don't think so; BUT you're in kotm's hands now.

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2004, 07:34:43 AM »
I wondered about that too Jeff.  My PAP is the same as Borincano's with an axis angle of 45 deg. and RPM's 325.  

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2004, 08:05:43 AM »
I guess so king....sure can't relate myself with same PAP specs.  

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2004, 10:32:18 AM »
My WMB has a 4" pin drilled 3-5/8 x 5-1/4 x 2, with a 27/32 balance hole drilled 2" deep. The ball rolled so soon I ended up sanding it with grey scotch brite to get some extra length with a more angular turn at the break point and to help conserve some energy. Love its reaction now, I must have had 10 people come up to me last night asking me what I was throwing. Sure got the attention last night.
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Borincano

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2004, 10:53:25 AM »
Okay guys the tilt is zero and my pro shop driller checked it twice because I even did not believe it. That was the only spec that I did not have in my notes.  

The lanes I will be using these bowling balls are synthetic lanes that are slick with oil.
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Borincano

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2004, 11:02:16 AM »
king of the mill, can you tell us more about how good or bad is the tilt in
the final reaction on the ball going down the lane.

2 more kegs coming up. No pushing in the line now.

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"tilt is zero"?
possible, but I don't think so; BUT you're in kotm's hands now.


aww, come on now, charlie....

give 'em a shot, the more the merrier .  the party is just starting up, free beeeer for all! (except bobby, that would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor...)


btw, in the last two weeks, i have seen 3 players with horizontal pap's under 5" over (with one inside of 4") that have measured tilt of 5*, 3* & 0* respectfully... so it does happen occasionally .
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Borincano

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2004, 11:39:00 PM »
How could I create more tilt if needed.

I can make the change to Heineken then.

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can you tell us more about how good or bad is the tilt in
the final reaction on the ball going down the lane.


tilt is just a factor that needs to be taken into account as it effects the amount of potential friction that is available to create ball reaction (as does the relationship between revrate and ballspeed...).  

it also defines the size of the window that we have for maximum revrate (hitting power).

lo tilt players create more (early) friction and have small windows for maximum carry (you can blame Newton for this...)....

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2004, 12:43:18 AM »
Last night bowling I was making bad throws. Then I observe this guy throwing his ball and notice his arm action. This is a guy that carries a 225 average. Knowing my problem and correcting it made me finish the next 5 final frames with strikes of my final game. The thing was to relax my arm and swing. I will need to recheck my axis rotation and tilt after this. Because I felt the ball
going stronger down the lane with a strong finish hit. Will let you know.


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 How could I create more tilt if needed.


without seeing your release, it is difficult to see exactly where you are at.

without knowing where you are at, it is difficult to give you a direction to go in....

if you are a "wristy" player, the fault can lie in wher you balance the ball in your hand during the swing, or early turn-in of the thumb (thumb release timing).

if you are more "old school", it could be a carry over from a variation of a full roller release or a forced issue due to grip pressure.

once you get your vids up & we have consumed enough vitamin B, we can give it a shot .

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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2004, 12:45:55 AM »
KOTM, i will make it my business to get that case of HENIES out tomorrow. It should be.....sorry it will be there by Wednesday of next week. Mark will say "W.T.F" who the hell sent beer through UPS.  by the way I had a new customer today with a PAP of 4 over 1 3/4up but her tilt was 7* TC was 12 3/4". King hit me with one of those Ravage II. I know you got one.
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Re: Any good drillers here?
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2004, 08:13:08 AM »
If you want to create more tilt you need to pitch the middle finger forward/under 3/8" more than it is now. also change the pitch in the ring 3/8 reverse/away. You will also have to shorten the span on the middle finger 1/16" and lengthen the ring 1/16". this will increase the tilt, how much it changes will depend on how well your original grip fits and how much you squeeze the ball to hold it. Hope this helps and let me know if you try this and what happens. I have done this with many customers in my shop and it works very well.
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