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skbowl800

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Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« on: September 27, 2009, 11:45:19 AM »
For a right handed bowler, what type of reaction would this type of drilling create?
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2009, 02:39:10 AM »
It is (with your PAP) a very tame layout. Little overall hook, smooth breakpoint, mellow reaction. Something for ridden/drier lanes - probably similar to a pin-axis layout, just without the early rolling tendency and slightly delayed hook.
Just make sure the pin is not too close, in or even beyond yout track, because of the danger of flaring backwards, as mentioned before.

A friend of mine had a Power Groove laid out this way (for late games), and it did almost nothing - as intended. But he did not like this very weak reaction (despite the fact, that the ball was quite effective in late games - but it showed no big hook, so it was "bad"...), so the ball got plugged.
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Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2009, 03:33:59 AM »
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Your looking at a 6-6.5" pin to PAP. That will create maximum length and for bowlers with hand a strong backend reaction.

You can keep the cg in the palm or if it is a longer pin kick the cg out and put the weight hole as needed probably somewhere just right of the thumb.(depending on the ball)

For many bowlers the ball will do not do much because they can't get it to turn over. If you can get it to turnover many times it will hook extremely strong on the backends. I've had problems with many bowling balls being too strong and uncontrollable on the backends with this pattern.

It's still used by a lot of pros today including Chris Barnes. Usually pin above or below the middle finger.
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I disagree with the strong backend reaction part.  My experience with this drilling is actually an earlier roll (compared to pin over middle finger)with a very tame backend.
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It may depend on the ball and how you throw it. I have had many pearls with this drilling that go left on the backend and never stop hooking. Solids usually have a little less snap but still turn left and hook hard.
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Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2009, 01:30:22 AM »
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2009, 04:37:59 AM »
It doesn't seem like Wes it is a high tracker though and I bet the pin to PAP on this drilling is shorter for him....just guessing...like 5 1/2 pin to pap.

I'm sure someone on here knows more exactly.  Not a doubt about that....

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Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2009, 08:01:52 AM »
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Depending on the ball, it may do nothing and flare backwards. That's awful close to tracking right over the pin. I had a Gravity Shift do that. It's awesome turning a ball into a paper weight.


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with his PAP it prob is close to 6" +.  the pin doesn't have to be 6 3/4 or more from PAP to flare backwards.  PLUS your release isn't the same everytime so if one shot he/she 'twirls' one then the PAP would be closer and visa-versa when they right up the back with little tilt.

try keeping the pin b/w 5 1/2 - 5 3/4 away to protect no flare or back-flare.
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Re: Pin under and to the left of the middle finger
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2009, 03:36:50 AM »
For Wes that pattern is somewhere in between 5 and 5.5 inches pin to PAP. Wes seems to have a lot of his pearls drilled at that distance.

Much different from the layout the OP is describing.
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