Post by: sep900 on April 30, 2007, 05:34:13 PM
I wanted to see what kind of grips everyone uses, if any.
My pro shop carries contour grips, but I noticed alot of pros or others uses vise grips. There are so many types of vise grips, I don't know which one to try. Any suggestion? Or are grips generally the same overall?
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Post by: sep900 on May 01, 2007, 02:01:03 AM
I had a chance to touch one of the vise grip. Compare to contour, its relatively harder in terms of material. But I have no idea what kind of difference it'll make on a ball, thats why I asked.
I've decided to try, but there are like 3 or 4 different grips within the brand Vise itself. Thats why its very confusing lol!
Post by: charlest on May 01, 2007, 04:56:14 AM
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Thanks!!!
I had a chance to touch one of the vise grip. Compare to contour, its relatively harder in terms of material. But I have no idea what kind of difference it'll make on a ball, thats why I asked.
I've decided to try, but there are like 3 or 4 different grips within the brand Vise itself. Thats why its very confusing lol!
Contours (I do use them) are softer than Vise Grips (I have used them) but not by a lot. I used VG with no real problems for a long while interspersed with Contours, which my pro shop carries as their standard. For consistency's sake I stuck with Contours.
One big advantage VGs have is they make them in half or in between sizes, in 64 ths of an inch.
ALso VGs are slightly larger than Contours, in the 25/32" and 3/4" sizes that I use. The VGs are also slightly longer than COntours, so my driller had to drill the hole deeper. He got that wrong a few times, but I had to remind him that I had brought different brand grip. (I supply my inserts to him.)
If you use ovals (that is, not the ones with a 1/4" pitch to them), most of the VGs come with ovals on one side.
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Post by: Ishmael on May 01, 2007, 08:23:49 AM
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The VGs are also slightly longer than COntours, so my driller had to drill the hole deeper. He got that wrong a few times, but I had to remind him that I had brought different brand grip.
Charlest, you can easily cut a little off the inserts with scissors instead of drilling the holes deeper. You'll never know the difference once they're in the ball.
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Post by: qstick777 on May 01, 2007, 09:18:45 AM
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Contours (I do use them) are softer than Vise Grips (I have used them) but not by a lot. I used VG with no real problems for a long while interspersed with Contours, which my pro shop carries as their standard. For consistency's sake I stuck with Contours.
One big advantage VGs have is they make them in half or in between sizes, in 64 ths of an inch.
ALso VGs are slightly larger than Contours, in the 25/32" and 3/4" sizes that I use. The VGs are also slightly longer than COntours, so my driller had to drill the hole deeper. He got that wrong a few times, but I had to remind him that I had brought different brand grip. (I supply my inserts to him.)
I agree. I've noticed that Vise are bigger (and harder) than whatever my old driller was using (I think they were either 10th Frame or Contour), at least for my sizes - 11/16 and 21/32. I can actually get my middle finger down to the knuckle with Vise grips. The other grips I could only get about 3/4 of the way in, and the next size up was too big, so I've been jamming my fingers for the past 3 years!
I also prefer the powerlifts - they help those of us that are rev challenged!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 01, 2007, 09:27:35 AM
Their super soft feel seemed to let the ball stay on my fingers FOREVER during my release allowing me to sometines make slight adjustments to my release to compensate for slight differences in armswing path.
Contours are almost as soft and seem to have a similar effect.
For me the Vise are too hard. But they do have that 1/64 size adjustment advantage. Most others(all) are 1/32 difference between sizes.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 01, 2007, 09:28:12 AM
Their super soft feel seemed to let the ball stay on my fingers FOREVER during my release allowing me to sometines make slight adjustments to my release to compensate for slight differences in armswing path.
Contours are almost as soft and seem to have a similar effect.
For me the Vise are too hard. But they do have that 1/64 size adjustment advantage. Most others(all) are 1/32 difference between sizes.
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Post by: sep900 on May 01, 2007, 09:32:53 AM
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ALso VGs are slightly larger than Contours
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Charlest, you can easily cut a little off the inserts with scissors instead of drilling the holes deeper. You'll never know the difference once they're in the ball.
Does the ball need to be redrilled to fit a Vise grip properly then? Or opened up.... ?? It would be less trouble if I can just change them myself.
Post by: JMORRIS on May 01, 2007, 09:41:59 AM
Just recently bought a new arsenal and decided to try VISE Inserts. I love them.
Post by: charlest on May 01, 2007, 09:51:02 AM
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The VGs are also slightly longer than COntours, so my driller had to drill the hole deeper. He got that wrong a few times, but I had to remind him that I had brought different brand grip.
Charlest, you can easily cut a little off the inserts with scissors instead of drilling the holes deeper. You'll never know the difference once they're in the ball.
Oh, sure. But my driller gets all mad at himself when he forgets to drill deeper for the longer insert. It's kind of funny. Then either one of us does get out the scissor and cuts them off. He never put it back on the drill to drill it deeper & I wouldn;t ask him to. I use the VG o/po grips and never use the power lift side; so cutting into it is not a problem. Thanks anyway.
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Post by: azguy on May 01, 2007, 10:15:16 AM
I do think it's more a personal preference than most will admit, JMO.
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Post by: gripnrip on May 01, 2007, 05:38:57 PM
I like the soft tacky feel they have.
But i believe that contour grips do
not support the pba tour, therefore
you cannot use them in regional play.
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Post by: bgh on May 01, 2007, 06:27:10 PM
Determined by feeling, finger sensitivity and lift action.
Vise Grips for me are perfect: but...
I use Vise, Turbo, and Tenth Frame depending on the feeling and amount of grip/reaction on the particular ball I want to see.
Vise Grip - Medium lift (medium soft)
Turbo Grip - Strong lift (soft)
Tenth Frame - Neutral lift - least amount (medium hard)
Fine tuning the reaction and feel, if you will.
YMMV.
Vise, Turbo, Contour, and Tenth Frame are all good products, its a matter of personal preference.
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Post by: charlest on May 02, 2007, 12:34:36 AM
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Contours (I do use them) are softer than Vise Grips (I have used them) but not by a lot. I used VG with no real problems for a long while interspersed with Contours, which my pro shop carries as their standard. For consistency's sake I stuck with Contours.
One big advantage VGs have is they make them in half or in between sizes, in 64 ths of an inch.
ALso VGs are slightly larger than Contours, in the 25/32" and 3/4" sizes that I use. The VGs are also slightly longer than COntours, so my driller had to drill the hole deeper. He got that wrong a few times, but I had to remind him that I had brought different brand grip. (I supply my inserts to him.)
I agree. I've noticed that Vise are bigger (and harder) than whatever my old driller was using (I think they were either 10th Frame or Contour), at least for my sizes - 11/16 and 21/32. I can actually get my middle finger down to the knuckle with Vise grips. The other grips I could only get about 3/4 of the way in, and the next size up was too big, so I've been jamming my fingers for the past 3 years!
I also prefer the powerlifts - they help those of us that are rev challenged!
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Power lifts are strictly 1/4" forward pitch; they do not help with revs. You are laboring under a misapprehension. If this were true, just drill straight sided grips with 1/4" more forward pitch than you have now. The results will be IDENTICAL.
Sorry, but facts are facts, no matter how you "FEEL" about them.
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