do you know your initial axis tilt Erv?

Strong asymmetric cores retain tilt the closer you get to 2 3/4 or whatever the low end number is, I don't remember right now. Longer pin-pap distances like 6" will burn off tilt and be smoother.

Vice-versa when dealing with symmetric cores

Morich went out of business and the others didn't.

i have similar release specs to you. 17.5mph off hand 395rpm and even lower tilt about 7*. my favorite skid flip layout is 60x4 1/2x40 for asymmetrics. its not extreme skid flip but clean enough to get down lane and make a flip downlane. if you want more extreme skid flip you can always shorten the pin length or increase the ratio of the angles. full disclosure i rarely see enough oil to use asymetric balls since they generally are high performance so i pretty much exclusively use them on long patterns. when i was able to use them on medium patterns in college bowling and they put out some volume i loved that layout for the ttransition and opening up the lane

Cheech,

When you said "increase ratio" of angles?  I think you are referring to exactly what big Earv discussed.  Going from say 60 to 40 to say 70 to 30?  Is that right?

What does maintaining tilt longer do for a bowler, or bowling ball for reaction? Make the ball enter with more side roll in the final roll area?

Are there bowlers who have used the 3 3/8 pin to PAP and 70 degree drillings and found they really could be long on Assyms?  On drier?

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS thank you...

Cheech,

When you said "increase ratio" of angles?  I think you are referring to exactly what big Earv discussed.  Going from say 60 to 40 to say 70 to 30?  Is that right?

What does maintaining tilt longer do for a bowler, or bowling ball for reaction? Make the ball enter with more side roll in the final roll area?

Are there bowlers who have used the 3 3/8 pin to PAP and 70 degree drillings and found they really could be long on Assyms?  On drier?

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS thank you...

you got it. increasing angle ratio is exactly what it sounds like.going from 50x50 (1:1) to 80x40 (2:1) while using the same pin length would make the higher ratio angles promote more skid/flip.
as far as the tilt question. since bowling balls stop hooking when axis tilt and axis rotation are both 0, maintaining tilt makes the core unstable and skid longer. when the ball starts to lose tilt and become more stable it starts to hook and when it has lost all tilt and rotation it rolls. so effectively maintaining tilt lengthens the skid phase and promotes more skid/flip

i have never used a pin that short on an asym core but there is no reason it wouldnt work assuming it matches up well with the bowler and conditions

 Threw it tonight and got close to what I wanted. Good read and a very sharp breakpoint. Being an older pearl ball, it didn't have the overall hook I wanted, but I think on a newer ball, this pattern could definitely work for me. Thank you for all your help!