Just a general question here. The pin closer to 3 inches retains axis mmore than 4.5 inches from pap correct?

What Strapper^2 said..

What does all of this mean in terms of reaction on the lanes?  If you have 2 identical balls and all variables are the same except one has a 3" pin to pap and the other has a 4.5" pin to pap what would you see different in reaction? 

Being that the 3" pin would retain axis rotation longer would that in theory make the ball "go longer"?  What does retaining axis rotation mean in relation to ball reaction?

Thanks Ric.  I don't mean to hijack this post but hopefully it will help others too.

As I get older my speed diminishes.  Right now I am 14mph at the pins (Quibica) with 300 rpms and 25+ degrees of axis tilt.  My pap is 4 1/4 over 3/8 up. 

I am forced to stand as far left as I can and play as deep as I can to keep my ball in the oil as long as I can.  I find that "weaker" balls will hook way too much for me in the back so I tend to drill a stronger ball with lots of polish and very weak pins, in the 5.5 pin to pap range.  While I can generally be in the pocket with this the ball doesn't seem to finish well enough playing this angle to consistently carry the 10.  I was just reading on BowlingChat that if using an asymmetrical with a pin in the 5 to 6" range that when it comes out of the pattern it is in a forward roll and this pin to pap distance is better suited for someone playing a more down and in type shot, not a deep angle.  It went on to say if you wanted to play a deeper angle then a pin to pap of 3" with a large drill angle would be the way to go.

This is what I'm trying to understand and why I was so interested in this post about pin placement and axis rotation, etc.  I was always under the impression that a 5 to 6" pin would allow for length (less flare) and a strong backend reaction?  That's what I'm trying to achieve.  Any thoughts Ric?

Thanks Ric.  I don't mean to hijack this post but hopefully it will help others too.

As I get older my speed diminishes.  Right now I am 14mph at the pins (Quibica) with 300 rpms and 25+ degrees of axis tilt.  My pap is 4 1/4 over 3/8 up. 

I am forced to stand as far left as I can and play as deep as I can to keep my ball in the oil as long as I can.  I find that "weaker" balls will hook way too much for me in the back so I tend to drill a stronger ball with lots of polish and very weak pins, in the 5.5 pin to pap range.  While I can generally be in the pocket with this the ball doesn't seem to finish well enough playing this angle to consistently carry the 10.  I was just reading on BowlingChat that if using an asymmetrical with a pin in the 5 to 6" range that when it comes out of the pattern it is in a forward roll and this pin to pap distance is better suited for someone playing a more down and in type shot, not a deep angle.  It went on to say if you wanted to play a deeper angle then a pin to pap of 3" with a large drill angle would be the way to go.

This is what I'm trying to understand and why I was so interested in this post about pin placement and axis rotation, etc.  I was always under the impression that a 5 to 6" pin would allow for length (less flare) and a strong backend reaction?  That's what I'm trying to achieve.  Any thoughts Ric?

I have a customer here that has similar numbers and same issue. Likes to play track area but can't because everything that he wants to throw jumps. He gets in deeper and has trouble with corner pins. He has always been a Hammer person. Talked him into a Storm Ride and put pin 5" from pap for him. Pretty much only ball he throws now.

Thanks for both replies and suggestions.