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mogators

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What is with the longer Pin to PAP drillings?
« on: February 16, 2006, 12:41:09 AM »
I'm noticing a lot of people seem to be drilling the pin on their bridge or middle finger area.  I don't know all of their PAP's but it seems like these would be generally over 4" from pin to PAP.  Are they doing this because the ball would hook too much with a 3 3/8" distance which from what I understand will give you the most flare?  I recently got a Strike Zone and it was drilled pin under ring finger (PAP is about 5 1/2") that was supposed to be my heavy oil ball.  This ball has ended being pretty good on house conditions which I assumed it would be too much ball for.  Now I'm thinking maybe I should have put the pin at 3 3/8.  I throw pretty hard, around 18-19 mph from foul line to pins, and have probably medium revs.  I'm going to be getting a Scorchin and a Ambush this summer in a Sport league and wondering how to drill them.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: What is with the longer Pin to PAP drillings?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 09:16:40 AM »
Always depends on what you want the ball to do, and the innate ball design. I also had much of my equipment drilled strong - until I experimented with a ball pin above bridge as a special weapon for length and pop on dry or broken-down conditions.  For me (stroker, low speed, ~250 RPM, PAP 5"&1/8"^) this layout was stronger than expected, an nice and late angular hook from my Reaction Rip.
A friend of mine went even further and put on a Power Groove for a similar occasion the pin under(!) his middle finger - and on dry turf this ball is a beast!

I know that many professionals and semi-professionals put the pin in proximity to the bridge, and mostly it is for control reasons. A big hook from a leverage drilling will get you nowhere when you cannot control it, so these rather "mild" setups are, especially with people with a strong release and the strong balls/cores around, a must.

I guess you will need some strong layout due to your high speed, and that's why your SZ works pretty well on what I'd consider light conditions.
The Ambush will probably only move slightly with your style, maybe putting the pin at 4" right net to the ring finger and the CG in palm will give you a hook-set reaction that does not overhook but starts an early roll, so that this ball will overcome late lane conditions. The particle should be good for this purpose, too. The Scorchin is principally a stronger version of the SZ, but not much. Basically, I'd also set it up pin under ring and the CG at 45° from PAP for early roll - maybe you can have the pin closer to the bridge to delay its action, but I am not sure if this would fit with your high speed?

Just some ideas, hope it helps?
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mogators

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Re: What is with the longer Pin to PAP drillings?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2006, 12:21:47 PM »
DizzyFugu,
  Thanks for the reply.  My Strike Zone is basically drilled like the layout you suggested for the Scorchin and I definately want something stronger so I am leaning toward putting the pin somewhere between 3 3/8 to 4 on that one.  
  That is a very in depth profile you have, nicely done!  I need to take the time and put in a profile myself one of these days.
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: What is with the longer Pin to PAP drillings?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2006, 01:17:54 PM »
pap 5 1/2 over and drilled pin under ring finger is probably 4 1/2 to pap area. So if you want it super strong flare wise go 3 3/8 or so, i tend to like 4 x 4 as my strongest stuff.I have one ball drilled at 3 3/8 just to see what it would do luckily the ball still goes pretty long for particle ball the dynothane pure energy.

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Re: What is with the longer Pin to PAP drillings?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2006, 02:05:16 PM »
Your driller can modify the shape of the reaction with the layout, but that's about all.  If you want a stronger ball, choose one with a stronger core and coverstock combination that matches up well with your style and the conditions you will be bowling on.  You can modify a ball's reaction more with surface alterations than by layout changes.  --  JohnP

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Re: What is with the longer Pin to PAP drillings?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 03:18:10 AM »
JohnP is correct. MAny balls have an "innate" reaction setup. You will, for example, not have a solid medium+ load particle ball make a skid/flip reaction. It will probably always arc, no matter how you drill it.

I think best way of thinking about drilling is just what you want the ball to do on which condition. It is about how the ball depletes its energy, and this should fit the lane condition and the type of coverstock and core design. That's for example why I bought a Reaction Rip: it is a peral reactive with an (by today's standards) not overly aggressive coverstock, and with a tall core with a high RG and a medium differential. This ball is supposed to go rather long and snap on light conditions, saving more energy for the back end than a low RG ball. The drilling enhances these innate properties, and this is IMHO the best way to exploit a ball's potential the best way. That makes knowing equipment and what it is designed for important, as well as redaing the lanes and pulloing out an effective tool to conquer the current sitaution.

Just buying a ball, "drlling it strong" and hope for the best is... ineffective?

Good luck with your new balls!
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