Author Topic: Should I request a specific drilling layout? (Read 3250 times)

Bowlfiz · « **on:** October 09, 2003, 12:08:03 AM »

I have a new X-Factor Reloaded, 16lbs, 2.75oz top weight, 2-2.5" pin placement.

I am currently a "Tweener", I am very good at adjusting speed and revolutions.

I want to move towards more of a cranker style, but would like to be able to tween while I'm learning.

Is there a specific layout I should request my shop to drill for me?

Should I just talk with them and see what they think?

Sadly I am new to the designs of new balls and know little of the differences between drilling patterns.

But I want to be able to feel like I know something before I just plop a $150 ball down and say "Do your best".

Thanks for any help!!!

baiki · « **Reply #1 on:** October 09, 2003, 06:52:59 PM »

Bowlfix,

You have not enter your profile so my suggestion is just general.

Learn to "crank" with the ball you're having now. When you find that you need more or less length or whatever, then change the drilling or surface to suit.
Drilling is only 15% of ball reaction.

You can stroke, tween or crank with whatever drilling you have on the existing ball. It's when you find that the ball is not matching to your throw or lane condition for you to score that you want something different to help your game.

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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** October 09, 2003, 11:28:01 PM »

Bowlfiz,

There is at least one potential problem: when going from tweener to cranker, you may change one or several factors that make up your release/delivery. One of them could be your PAP. If you change that, your drillings will be different. Speed and axis tilt and rotation will alter the type of ball, drilling and surface you may want for a given situation also.

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Bowlfiz · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2003, 03:22:52 PM »

Thanks for the help everyone!

I talked with my driller some and they suggested I go ahead and just drill it in a conventional manner. Nothing special or different, just sort of a stock drill for my hands.

Well, they actually suggested fingertip drilling, but I'm just not comfortable enough with that yet, I've bowled fingertip and it throws my grip way out of whack.

I plan to get a cheaper urethane reactive, 14 or 15lb to drill with a fingertip grip in the next few months.

If I get used to it, I just get this balled plugged and drilled fingertip too.

Anyhow, we'll see how it goes.

Thanks again!

baiki · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:08:44 PM »

Bowlfiz,

You mean you are bowling with convential instead of fingertip?

You said you're very good at adjusting speed and revolution and asking about drilling I assumed that you are already playing fingertip and ready to advance in your game.

Suggest you learn to use fingertip drilling before talking different drilling.

Maybe get a cheap used ball to start with.

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baiki

Paul · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2003, 10:34:56 PM »

OH MY.....yes, have a ball drilled fingertip and then see how you like that.

Bowlfiz · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2003, 10:41:56 PM »

Yep, you guys are right, I am going to bowl with this bowl drilled conventionally for a few months, then I'm going to have it drilled fingertip instead.

During the in between I'm taking a nice urethane bowl down to be drilled fingertip for me.

However, if you check my post in the misc. forum you'll see I think my driller screwed up my ball anyway.

Maybe I'm in the wrong sport.

Bowlfiz · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2003, 02:07:54 AM »

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Yep, you guys are right, I am going to bowl with this bowl drilled conventionally for a few months, then I'm going to have it drilled fingertip instead.

Why on Earth would you buy a 200.00 ball to have it drilled conventional? Don't drill it till you decide to start throwing fingertip.
You can throw plastic with conventional grip.
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Well, I got the ball for $145 shipped.

Also, I have already gotten the ball drilled, conventional too.

The reason I decided to do this is because of my lack of experience.

Basically, I've only ever bowled with poorly fitted plastic or urethane balls before.

Switching to a well fitting new coverstock ball is going to be quite the shock to my game.

I wanted conventional just while I was learning to throw a new ball, this is to lessen the shock some.

After I learn how the new balls work, I am going to have this ball redrilled fingertip.

Sure it might be stupid, but we all make mistakes while learning. Plus, the drilling isn't costing my anything.

baiki · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2003, 03:10:32 AM »

You should have poasted this in the beginners forum.

When you ask for help in drillings and how to crank the ball was very misleading.

You cannot crank the ball with a convential grip.

Personally, if I have my own ball and learning to bowl, I'd learn to bowl fingertip. You'll have to bowl finger tip eventually so why not short cut your learning. It's harder to master for sure but you're learning anyway.

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baiki

NoNeed4Revs · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2003, 03:18:09 AM »

I might get a little heat for being "tough on a beginner", but someone has to say this...

1) Whoever your proshop is, he needs a swift kick in the rear. Letting anyone drill a Reloaded conventional is just ridiculous, because of number 2...

2) Surface/core mean NOTHING with a conventional grip, except for maybe a marginal increase in carry percentage. Manhattan Rubber or X-Factor Reloaded, it's all the same when you can't rotate the ball properly. Unless you're Glenn Allison, there is no point in drilling anything expensive conventional.

3) My personal advice is to find a different shop in the area who is willing to work on building your understanding of the game, and get the ball redrilled fingertip ASAP. There is only a very limited amount of skill that will carry over to fingertip from conventional grip bowling, so you're just delaying your advancement right now.
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Bowlfiz · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2003, 10:51:47 PM »

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You should have poasted this in the beginners forum.

When you ask for help in drillings and how to crank the ball was very misleading.

You cannot crank the ball with a convential grip.

Personally, if I have my own ball and learning to bowl, I'd learn to bowl fingertip. You'll have to bowl finger tip eventually so why not short cut your learning. It's harder to master for sure but you're learning anyway.

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baiki

You are 100% right, I know this now. I made a huge mistake in the drilling of this ball... flat out mistake.

I have no choice but to drill fingertip and lick my wounds... my rush to get the "best" cost me some extra money.

Live and learn.

Bowlfiz · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2003, 10:56:08 PM »

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I might get a little heat for being "tough on a beginner", but someone has to say this...

1) Whoever your proshop is, he needs a swift kick in the rear. Letting anyone drill a Reloaded conventional is just ridiculous, because of number 2...

2) Surface/core mean NOTHING with a conventional grip, except for maybe a marginal increase in carry percentage. Manhattan Rubber or X-Factor Reloaded, it's all the same when you can't rotate the ball properly. Unless you're Glenn Allison, there is no point in drilling anything expensive conventional.

3) My personal advice is to find a different shop in the area who is willing to work on building your understanding of the game, and get the ball redrilled fingertip ASAP. There is only a very limited amount of skill that will carry over to fingertip from conventional grip bowling, so you're just delaying your advancement right now.
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Undoubtedly the best bowler to ever come out of Sequoia Lanes. Maybe that's why they tore it down.

You're not being tough at all, just speaking the truth.

I will not blame my driller as he did what I told him, however, the angle of which the holes are drilled have got to be wrong for conventional drilling. Placing my hand in the holes is like a dove tail joint, I'm locked, I cant even get the ball off my hand... it's terrible.

I realize now the mistake I made, with chosing this ball, spending this type of money, and getting a conventional drill without having any idea of what I was doing.

I'm going back to my driller tommorow morning and I'm getting this problem figured out somehow. I understand it's my money and I will be out even more, but hey, the ball is worthless to me now.

Thanks for the info and wish me luck.

baiki · « **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2003, 01:19:57 AM »

Bowlfiz,

With your open mind, you'll be one of us yet.

Put the X factor away and get a cheap used one with a milder shell. One that's not so aggresive. It should'nt cost you more than US $60, drilled to fit.

Reason I'm saying that is your present ball is a high end with very aggresive shell, meant for bowlers with 190 and above averages. It's very jumpy when you cannot throw it with consistency.

A milder shell one will be easier to control and you'll need both later, a strong shell and a mild shell for when you are a better bowler to play on different lane conditions later.

Now that I know you're a beginner bowler, I'd suggest you learn to master your mechanics, balance on delivery, timing and release. ( With fingertip of course) Get a coach or a experience bowler for advise. You'll learn faster and enjoy bowling.

If you have any more questions, you can post here or message me.

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baiki

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