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Redline

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Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« on: November 30, 2007, 05:25:13 AM »
Several years ago I tried this layout...and it was pretty much a hook/die reaction for me.

What I loved about the reaction was that the ball was very smooth and controlled off the spot.  In retrospect...I hated the fact that ball just died right as it hit pocket.

I was a lot more naive, less versatile, etc about bowling than now.  In the back of my mind, I was always curious as to whether this layout would be worth trying again.

Right now I am using 5 1/4 in layouts that push the pin over the bridge.  they are working well for me as a benchmark layout...though I need to make cover adjustments as the lanes transitions.  Also, most pearl balls get a little too uncontrollable for me at times.

I am considering trying a couple new balls with strong covers using the aforementioned layout (in specific...the new stuff C300 is putting out)...but am curious as to whether or not I will still get the same hook/die reaction or whether such a layout is advised on such covers.

The only reason I can think of as to why I would have gotten such a reaction in the past is that I tried covering far too many boards on a shot that didn't allow for such play.  

So in general...I am curious as to what this layout will do in terms of reaction, and what line it works best on for lane play on a strong coverstock.


Edited on 12/1/2007 10:23 AM

 

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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2007, 09:23:34 AM »
Bump...can anyone help?

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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2007, 09:44:29 AM »
That reaction works best when its less oil and clean backends for me.
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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2007, 11:56:13 AM »
Right now your 5 1/4 pin to pap distance over bridge should be giving you very long length with pretty flippy backend. If you move that to around 5 3/4 it should be giving you more length and flippier backend. But not too much more because its a very subtle distance change thats already pretty far from pap.
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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 05:18:59 PM »
Thanks for the info thus far.

IIRC there was a thread a while back talking about drilling w/weak layouts on strong equipment and using a x-hole to adjust flare.

I think it was discussed around the time Sean Rash won the Beltway classic a while ago.

Right now I am hoping this layout may work well on a ball as the lanes transition.  In most cases, I have soften up my release to keep the ball from jumping too much off the dry.  With a layout like this, I was thinking that it should allow me stay in the same area longer.

Either that or potentially serve as a benchmark layout on a heavy rolling continuous type of ball.

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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2007, 06:48:42 PM »
i have a layout (5 3/4 from PAP) like that on an SR300.  the cover is very strong, but this really tames the ball reaction down.  it gets great length through oil, and is very responsive off the dry.  Its nice when the lanes start medium/dry and break down as it really rides the carrydown.  its a good layout when you want to ignore the heads and pay more attention to whats going on in the backends
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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 07:45:45 PM »
I had a weak drilling with pin high!  5 3/4 pin to pap.  Just mild and even.

Put a reaction enhancing weighhole 2 1/4 past val on a center of grip / cg line and now it is a long .....wait wait wait....backend reaction master!

Dry heads and sloppy backends it likes!

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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 10:24:04 PM »
I have a robo rule drilled with the pin above the two fingers and there is no need for that ball to come out of the bag inless Im bowling on a very fresh shot or heavy oil. Even on a fresh shot this layout makes the ball hard to keep in the pocket it goes about 50ft or so and just snaps left for me. Not sure what my pap and actual layout is because it was my friends ball but we traded cause it worked great for me but not so good him.

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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 05:12:37 PM »
I have several balls drilled with a 6" or 6&1/4" pin to pap.Pin 4" above midline. This puts the pin above the middle finger.I also have a 90 degree axis rotation release.Right now I am using a Rampage with 4000 grit abralon finish with polish and a 30 degree backend C.G. placement.Ball hits and carries well when there is enough oil to throw it.If the backends are dry it almost moves too much.My ball speed is on the slower side(14 mph).When the lanes are dryer I have been using a Sonic X Pearl with a similiar layout with success.

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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 12:28:48 AM »
thanks for the replies!

I guess I am going to test this layout on the next ball I get.  I think I will go with the pin under the middle finger since it seems to have the reaction characteristics I am looking for.


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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2007, 10:14:57 AM »
What will that make the pin to PAP distance, which means something?  Under middle finger means nothing.  --  JohnP

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Re: Pin over middle finger layouts (RH)
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 01:15:37 AM »
My PAP is 4 over and 3/8 up. Given the following being equal:

* CG distance and/or MB distance to PAP
* CG and/or MB position relative to grip center
* Top weights
* Identical made/model balls

...my reaction changes greatly just by moving the pin from above and to the right of the ring finger to above and to the left of the middle finger.

It's a distance of what, 1 inch? Inch and a half? But boy, does it make a difference.

Pin above and to the right of ring is actually a fairly aggressive drill for me; ball jumps off the dry and I can use it on oil patterns with higher volumes.

Pin above and to the left of middle is extremely tame, smooth and I can typically only use it when the shot begins to dry out quite a bit.

Something to watch for: For me, at least, I have to be very careful once the pin gets over the middle finger; the further up and to the left it gets, the more likely I am to move the bowtie to a point that I start clipping the finger holes.

Also, someone mentioned pin-under-fingers drillings -- those have their place in my game, too, but I have to watch about clipping the thumbhole.

My favorite drill is pin directly over the bridge, about 1 inch, with CG in the palm and MB (if there is one) in the strong position. I do very well with that drilling.

Jess