Author Topic: ball reaction due to lowering track (Read 2980 times)

rdw · « **on:** May 26, 2011, 06:41:47 PM »

Hey Guys, my ball driller is out for a while but I would welcome your opinions too. I've always been a high track bowler and I tend to really grab the ball. My usual track and the one my driller uses is pretty close to the thumbhole. Now I've made some changes to my release that has lower my track an inch and a half. Of course I will have my pap remeasured before I drill my next ball but I was wondering what effect if any my "new" release will have on my current equipment based on my old pap. Will my old balls tend to hook sooner or later, hit weaker? etc...

thanks

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2011, 03:30:38 AM »

If your PAP moves upwards, your current stuff should - by tendency - go longer and hook later, with the breakpoint pushed down a little further. You will probably encounter less traction, esp. on longer oil, and a more spontaneous hook on wet/dry situations. Adding some surface could compensate, but there are many factors involved, so it is hard to generalise (as usual).

What you should look out for: if you have balls thet were drilled around 3 3/8"/leverage from your old PAP, the PAP shift could dramatically affect the ball's reaction and performance, because the pin moves closer to the PAP and you end up with a kind of axis layout - rather rolly type of reaction, smooth hook, potential weak carry. You can check this if you put tape on the pin and see whether the rotational axis migrates towards the pin or to the PSA, as orginally intended.

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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2011, 12:02:15 PM »

Thomas, I think you're addressing his questions but you may have mistyped ("upwards" should be "downwards"

dizzyfugu wrote on 5/27/2011 3:30 AM:If your PAP moves downwards, your current stuff should - by tendency - go longer and hook later, with the breakpoint pushed down a little further. You will probably encounter less traction, esp. on longer oil, and a more spontaneous hook on wet/dry situations. Adding some surface could compensate, but there are many factors involved, so it is hard to generalise (as usual).

What you should look out for: if you have balls that were drilled around 3 3/8"/leverage from your old PAP, the PAP shift could dramatically affect the ball's reaction and performance, because the pin moves closer to the PAP and you end up with a kind of axis layout - rather rolly type of reaction, smooth hook, potential weak carry. You can check this if you put tape on the pin and see whether the rotational axis migrates towards the pin or to the PSA, as orginally intended.

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rdw · « **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2011, 10:35:08 PM »

Thomas and Charles,

Thank you for the info. I hope it is correct when Charles says the pap moves downwards because that makes sense to me. As for Thomas's generalization's on ball reaction, it is spot on. The balls tend to scoot down the lane in oil and have an over/under when I try to move into the dry. The carry is weak, and I am not talking corner pins, I'm leaving 5 pins and 8-10's. I'm going to throw a few balls coming up the back just to see if there is any difference that I can see. Geez I might be one of the guys where a new bowling ball might improve my average

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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** May 28, 2011, 04:51:29 AM »

The carry is/can be weaker because you're used a more even reaction. With more tilt (which is probably what is changing), the ball can come in more "behind" the head pin". Before changing anything drastic, try adding a little surface to these balls, if you intend on "keeping" this new release and lower track. (Well, it's not only lower, the track diameter is probably smaller than before, thus the higher axis tilt. The smaller the track diameter, the higher the tilt angle.) Don't make huge changes at first. Maybe take a 1500 grit polished ball to P4000 grit (Abralon or Siaair) and leave it dull or matte, as a first try. If it still skids too far, then try P2000 or P3000 grit.

Next yo can always try a P3 or P4 (flare increasing) weight hole.

Third and last, then you can redrill it/them.

rdw wrote on 5/27/2011 10:35 PM: Thomas and Charles,

Thank you for the info. I hope it is correct when Charles says the pap moves downwards because that makes sense to me. As for Thomas's generalization's on ball reaction, it is spot on. The balls tend to scoot down the lane in oil and have an over/under when I try to move into the dry. The carry is weak, and I am not talking corner pins, I'm leaving 5 pins and 8-10's. I'm going to throw a few balls coming up the back just to see if there is any difference that I can see. Geez I might be one of the guys where a new bowling ball might improve my average .

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2011, 12:40:02 AM »

Sorry if there was confusion - I learned the terminology that when the track lowers and the track diameter decreases, the PAP moves (relatively) upwards, say from 5" to pin as relative reference to 4". But we are talking about the same thing here - learned something

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