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skidhookgutter

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ball weight.
« on: April 20, 2010, 02:33:51 PM »
I just posted a topic in misc. Im having a problem with getting a certain 12lb ball. Say I found a 13lb. How much total weight can be removed from a ball? Will it get any where close to a 12?
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2010, 10:56:47 AM »
If you drill the fingers and thumb extra deep and lay it out so you can use a big, deep balance hole and stay legal on static weights you might get 6 - 7 oz out.  Are you sure you can't just use a 13 lb ball?  --  JohnP
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skidhookgutter

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2010, 09:38:33 PM »
Hey JP.   First off Id like to say I love these boards! One could read for days and never get tired of it. Between you and a couple of others one could learn alot! My mom is turning 80. Shes been bowling with a 12  12.3 to be exact. Her ball speed is literally around 7 or 8mph. She had averages her whole life over 200. She has a couple of 299's but never got the big one. Her average right now sits at 141. She wishes she could throw a 15 again but at the same time shes very happy to be able to bowl with me on one league and with my wife on another. The league we signed up for this summer we all get the same ball. They ran out of the 12's so she opted for an 11lb that showed up 10lb 14oz. So after drilling the ball is near 2 lb lighter. Shes thinking of trying a 13 but shes a little worried. I found a 12 on line but of coarse drillings not included and its more money. So now that shes content with the weight Im trying to figure out a layout. The ball we are getting is a sanded solid so right off the bat I know its got to be shined up. Being 12lb and 8mph wouldnt I need a drilling thats gonna retain as much energy as possible?
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 09:55:09 AM »
At 8 mph I doubt that any layout is going to keep the ball from going into an early roll unless there's a lot of oil.  What's her PAP location, axis tilt and axis rotation, and what ball are we talking about?  Also check to see if she's a 3/4 roller or full roller, quite a few ladies that throw the ball slow are full rollers.  --  JohnP
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skidhookgutter

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Re: ball weight.
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 08:20:56 PM »
Thanks again for the reply!  Im not sure of her axis stats. Her pap is 4 3/4 over and up a 1/4. I put a small round piece of tape and moved it after a couple of shots I got it to where it was stationary but it doesnt stay that way very long. The ball is a bruns. copperhead. Out of the box its sanded at 800. Symmetric core. Besides the obvious (BUYING HER SOME OLYMPIC WEIGHTS FOR CHRISTMAS) Im trying to figure out the best possible way to help her out.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2010, 11:15:47 AM »
OK, the Copperhead and all other Brunswick balls don't have the advertised core in under 14 lbs, so her ball has a "lightbulb" core.  Not a bad core but it does seem somewhat of a ripoff to pay the price and not get the advertised core.  And this is not unique to Brunswick, the advertised cores can't be used and still get the light weight.  It just seems to me that there should be a price reduction when they change cores.

I would suggest a pin to PAP distance of 5", positioned above the finger holes if the pin out will allow that, and with the cg positioned to give 1/2 - 3/4 oz of positive side weight so a balance hole can be added if desired.  Have her try it, and if it breaks too early, which it probably will, have the pro shop take it to 4000 Abralon and polish it.  When she trys that, you'll have the two extremes of reaction and can change to somewhere in between as desired.  Good luck, and let us know how it worked.  --  JohnP
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 06:01:32 PM »
Thanks again!!   I know what you mean about the cores, It  doesnt seem right but seems like most of the stuff we buy now-a-days is a rip off. I had the same thoughts basically. Long pin distance and plenty of shine. Its hard to help her scores. Shes deadly accurate but at 8mph you need a little luck to go with it. Shes held 141 all season at 80 years old!  I knew the ball she currently uses had the generic label drill and that the copperhead was going to be a completely different ball than her razor wire.  I hope im standing upright at 80! Thanks again!
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2010, 10:11:07 PM »
My father in law is 86 and still bowls twice a week, once with the wife and I and again with a senior citizens group.  His average with us is 178.  He uses a 14 lb ball and gets 12 - 13 mph.  He worked with his hands all his life, doing plumbing, heating and electrical work and still does odd jobs when one of his ling time customers calls.  He can out work me and I'm just 63.  --  JohnP
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2010, 10:40:15 PM »
Good for him!!!    Thats great to hear! People like him and my mother are blessed to be able to have quality of life and people close to them to promote it!!  There are a few nights once in a while when im going through a timing/mechanics slump and my moms having a good night and she will beat me a game or two and then the whole bowling alley finds out cause they'll announce it over the pa system. Thanks mom LOL!
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