Author Topic: Basic Top Weight question (Read 23173 times)

lefty50 · « **on:** February 12, 2014, 10:56:44 AM »

I know I should be able to find this simple answer, but it escapes me at the moment.

In the old days, the rule of thumb used to be that minimum top weight was preferred for oily lane conditions in order to get the ball to turn sooner, while more top weight pushed the ball down the lanes and seem to continue thru the pins better.

Notice that I said "in the old days". These days, what (if anything) can be attributed to a ball with the maximum top weight after drilling as opposed to a ball with zero top weight or slightly bottom weight.

Thanks

Impending Doom · « **Reply #31 on:** February 17, 2014, 07:38:40 AM »

There are too many much more influential factors in ball motion to worry about which ball in your bag has more bottom weight, unless you're bowling with all 3 piece pancake bowling balls. Surface response to the lane surface, core dynamics, layout and how soon it will transition while it is rolling down the lane, proper lane play... Heck, I think the right interchangeable sole and heel combo is more important than bottom weight.

Also, if you're going to think that bottom weight is going to save you sometime, you could, you know, practice on getting the ball into a roll sooner with... Hand positions *gasp*

JustRico · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:09:22 AM »

Here's my views on a couple of comments or thoughts

No matter the mass that is used to create the dynamics inside a bowling ball, they are dynamics not a 2-piece 3-piece multi-core...the object in discussion is a spinning object being influenced my the outside making contact with the lane surface...as it 'spins' or rolls, at what point is the top influencing it or the bottom? I'm pretty sure it's the applied forces of the bowler plus the surface dictating a majority of the created reaction...flare is prolly the next influence as it is created by the placement of the mass in relationship to the positive axis point and/or track...once it's slows down from the cover surface & applied forces
As I've stated previously a shift of approx 1/32" from the true center of the core creates a 1" or 1oz of core movement with the pin which 4.5" from the true center or a marked spot on the outside of the bowling ball...
With ALL the variables that dictate the movement of a bowling ball traveling down the lane, I can make you this promise that when you are doing your tests with top weight & bottom weight, I alter your 'tests' quite easily....it's called Abralon...

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:45:45 AM »

Just curious but most balls with 2-3ozs top weight if drilled with an xhole are likely going to be even or under on topweight. For the vast majority of people.

But for fun my question is this: If you had two identical bowling balls on the same layout with one having 2ozs top weight and the other 2ozs bottom weight. Once the ball completes a half rotation does it matter? Are we really arguing over the affects of a half rotation?

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:46:20 AM »

Let me see if I got this right,Ric
No matter how many times you lead a horse to a troth, you still won't be able to determine how many times it'll drink ?

JustRico · « **Reply #35 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:56:44 AM »

I like to go with 'if the horse is dead and you continue to beat it, will it remain dead?'

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #36 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:22:50 AM »

Knowing most of the bowlers I know, that would be a Yes !

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #37 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:33:36 PM »

Hey, maybe if we can get a few guys to gang up we can Win this discussion.

The "Cult" lives! (at least these are real posters!)

OK, back to the main point. I want to make sure I understand exactly what Just Rico is proposing. You are proposing that if a ball ends up with bottom weight or top weight you can mask the increase of skid from Top Weight or lack of skid due to bottom weight by surface alone?

Is that right?

Thanks,

Luckylefty

JustRico · « **Reply #38 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:41:48 PM »

Sorry big guy it's not masking...and you 'believe' what you will...

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #39 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:57:22 PM »

I didn't say masking!

I said the Cult lives. Your Cult.

Now this question was posted

Quote from: LuckyLefty on February 17, 2014, 10:33:36 PM

OK, back to the main point. I want to make sure I understand exactly what Just Rico is proposing. You are proposing that if a ball ends up with bottom weight or top weight you can mask the increase of skid from Top Weight or lack of skid due to bottom weight by surface alone?

Is that right?

Thanks,

Luckylefty

Dying to understand that point.

JustRico · « **Reply #40 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:02:36 PM »

And if you could comprehend a sentence I said that adjusting the surface is masking nothing in your words not mine...please pay attention and the only cult is the one you're in...

JustRico · « **Reply #41 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:08:27 PM »

Understand this...I am not proposing anything I am stating a fact plain & simple...you believe one thing and I know another...you are beating the proverbial dead horse to glue

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 18, 2014, 07:55:00 AM »

LL quoted "You are proposing that if a ball ends up with bottom weight or top weight you can mask the increase of skid from Top Weight or lack of skid due to bottom weight by surface alone?"

Maybe you can message Mo on bowling chat or email USBC and ask them more about their results on ball motion study.

JustRico · « **Reply #43 on:** February 18, 2014, 08:41:29 AM »

So if I was able to 'mask' a variable you deem relevant, what would actually be more relevant, ie if I can alter or change your variable, wouldn't my variable be more relevant or more of a determinator in controlling the reaction thus your variable would be a moot point?

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #44 on:** February 18, 2014, 09:23:40 AM »

Aww...Ric, you are getting way to deep for these guys.Just keep it simple...I.E...What part of the ball touches the surface on the lane?
The outer shell, that is correct.You may come to the head of the class

JustRico · « **Reply #45 on:** February 18, 2014, 09:25:52 AM »

Define static

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