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lefty50

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Basic Top Weight question
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:56:44 AM »
I know I should be able to find this simple answer, but it escapes me at the moment.

In the old days, the rule of thumb used to be that minimum top weight was preferred for oily lane conditions in order to get the ball to turn sooner, while more top weight pushed the ball down the lanes and seem to continue thru the pins better.

Notice that I said "in the old days". These days, what (if anything) can be attributed to a ball with the maximum top weight after drilling as opposed to a ball with zero top weight or slightly bottom weight.

Thanks
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 12:16:08 PM by lefty50 »

 

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2014, 12:56:27 PM »
Thanks, Doom, but I was looking forward to the side effects... (I know, be careful what we wish for).

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2014, 01:02:51 PM »
Actually I believe the percentage goes up if you post...and then admit to altering the surface and not the top weight...

So here's a question for the doubter known as Lucky & left handed...

If I start with a ball that has an ounce or so of top weight and drill the gripping holes deeper lowering the top weight to bottom weight, in your world will the ball roll earlier?
In my world, of physics, the ball will react less due to less overall dynamics

Just wondering...
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2014, 01:07:17 PM »
I have been quietly following this post. Isn't this the resurrection, albeit somewhat more refined, of the "cg nomaddah" debate?

Ultimately, what I have gained from all of this, is that within legal limits, shifting the static weight around has minimal to no discernable impact on how the ball performs.

Does everyone agree with that, or did I miss something.

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2014, 01:16:13 PM »
Actually I believe the percentage goes up if you post...and then admit to altering the surface and not the top weight...

So here's a question for the doubter known as Lucky & left handed...

If I start with a ball that has an ounce or so of top weight and drill the gripping holes deeper lowering the top weight to bottom weight, in your world will the ball roll earlier?
In my world, of physics, the ball will react less due to less overall dynamics

Just wondering...

Damn.........

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2014, 01:29:48 PM »
*I need a fresh bag of popcorn.*
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2014, 01:43:30 PM »
Ultimately, what I have gained from all of this, is that within legal limits, shifting the static weight around has minimal to no discernable impact on how the ball performs.

Does everyone agree with that, or did I miss something.

From what I've read, I believe LL disagrees with that (he can speak for himself) and would argue he CAN discern it whereas Rico's argument is that 99% CANNOT.

Again, we're talking about such a subtlety that some posters tend to absolutley fixate on.

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2014, 01:47:24 PM »

Ultimately, what I have gained from all of this, is that within legal limits, shifting the static weight around has minimal to no discernable impact on how the ball performs.

Does everyone agree with that, or did I miss something.


That is pretty much exactly what I said in the first response to the OP.  I really don't understand why this thread has 5 pages now, lol...

lefty50

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2014, 02:11:14 PM »
Me neither... Certainly not the intent of the original post.... Simple question, simple answer that was done 4 pages ago.
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2014, 02:44:08 PM »
Apparently bottom weighted balls roll differently than top weighted balls on the left side of the lane!
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #70 on: February 20, 2014, 10:23:48 PM »
Actually I believe the percentage goes up if you post...and then admit to altering the surface and not the top weight...

So here's a question for the doubter known as Lucky & left handed...

If I start with a ball that has an ounce or so of top weight and drill the gripping holes deeper lowering the top weight to bottom weight, in your world will the ball roll earlier?
In my world, of physics, the ball will react less due to less overall dynamics

Just wondering...

Funny how LuckyLefty completely avoided this conversation after by question...
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2014, 12:06:44 AM »
3 pages of piling on with group think.

I have still not heard your answer in all those pages of ballreviews cult following.

The question again posed by me.    "Can we eliminate top weight pucks so all balls end up bottom weight after drilling and retain all the same range of reaction choice with just your pads?"



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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2014, 07:04:46 AM »
You're awesome and if nothing else...consistent....a majority of ores do not have your pucks that you continue to speak of but you keep trying to find a way to ask your question to see if I change my answer...and the answer still is...Y E S

Now what's your response there big guy?
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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2014, 07:44:34 AM »
3 pages of piling on with group think.

I have still not heard your answer in all those pages of ballreviews cult following.

The question again posed by me.    "Can we eliminate top weight pucks so all balls end up bottom weight after drilling and retain all the same range of reaction choice with just your pads?"



Regards,

Luckylefty
PS I have a response.

25% of Americans also think that the Sun revolves around the Earth. The majority, even when backed by proof, must be engaged in "group think".

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2014, 08:11:19 AM »
3 pages of piling on with group think.

I have still not heard your answer in all those pages of ballreviews cult following.

The question again posed by me.    "Can we eliminate top weight pucks so all balls end up bottom weight after drilling and retain all the same range of reaction choice with just your pads?"



Regards,

Luckylefty
PS I have a response.


No we can not eliminate top weight pucks. We do not manufacture bowling balls. You would likely rather have low top weight bowling balls. That way you always have bottom weight and have less risk of being illegal on bottom weight. However using a Motion hole adds weight back to the top. So do not use that as a layout option.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2014, 08:44:40 AM »
Wow.  LL is still looking at the horizon and claiming the world must be flat even though he's holding a globe in his hand.

Why did I click on this thread...