win a ball from Bowling.com
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6

Author Topic: Basic Top Weight question  (Read 23187 times)

lefty50

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1822
Basic Top Weight question
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:56:44 AM »
I know I should be able to find this simple answer, but it escapes me at the moment.

In the old days, the rule of thumb used to be that minimum top weight was preferred for oily lane conditions in order to get the ball to turn sooner, while more top weight pushed the ball down the lanes and seem to continue thru the pins better.

Notice that I said "in the old days". These days, what (if anything) can be attributed to a ball with the maximum top weight after drilling as opposed to a ball with zero top weight or slightly bottom weight.

Thanks
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 12:16:08 PM by lefty50 »
Logged

 

LuckyLefty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17348
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2014, 11:08:02 AM »
Talking in parables, the art of the cult leader.

Now to my simple question and it's avoided answer.

Are you saying, "That a bottom weight ball can roll just like a top weight ball if it's surface is finer grit to compensate for the difference in weight"?  ie your reference to abralon?

Thank you for the long awaited answer?

REgards,

Luckylefty
Logged
It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2014, 11:50:24 AM »
Dude first of all get off silly infintile attempt at humour with the cult reference...guys are educated and believe what they do as do you...we could say the same about you-no? And personally I enjoy the Cult...I've seen them multiple times...they rock

I have answered your question multiple times in the simplest of ways...Y E S
I can more control overall with surface than any other component
Answered now?
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

LuckyLefty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17348
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2014, 07:30:10 AM »
SO, a shiny 3 ounce bottom weight ball will react the same as a slightly duller 3 ounce top weight ball?

It sounds more and more like ball manufacturers are doing more than they need to .

Save the extra bucks forget the pucks on the top of all balls for top weight offset from drilled fingers.  And roll away with bottom weight and shinier stuff.

More profits for ball companies should be a happy result.  I'm sure you have tested this in your days as a ball rep.  Please verify the veracity of the above probably performed test and what the results were.

Thanks,

Luckylefty

Regards,
Logged
It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

Impending Doom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6288
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2014, 07:33:55 AM »
Lucky,

Go ask Mo.
Logged

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2014, 07:48:56 AM »
I find it rather humorous, how many times you ask the same question, by changing the wording to sound more credulous...and think you'll get a different answer...you bring up wanting my extensive test results yet all you've got is a single instance of when something occurred for you...the answer is not going to change no matter how many times you ask it
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

kidlost2000

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5789
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2014, 08:08:54 AM »
To summarize maybe......

1. Top weight vs bottom weight doesn't affect the balls reaction on oil or dry or medium conditions

2. Surface is the bigger determining factor for these conditions.

3. Any difference of the two reactions between top weight and bottom weight on two identically drilled balls would be so minimal you could not see the results, similar to positive and negative side weight.

***Rereading most of these post will cause an aneurysm and readers will need to seek immediate medical attention.
Logged
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2014, 09:55:44 AM »
As I stated, no matter how he asks the question and how's it answered, he will continue to ask it until someone caves and sides with him...and his schtick is getting olde
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

Good Times Good Times

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6462
  • INTJ Personality
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2014, 10:33:35 AM »
I think the question is at this point, what will it take for LuckyLefty to believe the objective facts Rico has presented (in a million different illustrations)?

As kid noted in jest (which was great):

Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 12, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
I stress over leaving 7s, 8s, and 9s. 10 pins I expect. I wish I could blame static weight for it.

My question for LL would be, do you honestly believe Kid has a case in blaming the statics for it (the 7s, 8s and 9s...assuming it was a shot he liked?
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 10:46:44 AM by Good Times Good Times »
Logged
GTx2

Impending Doom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6288
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #54 on: February 19, 2014, 10:40:22 AM »
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on February 19, 2014, 10:33:35 AM
I think the question is at this point, what will it take for LuckyLefty to believe the objective facts Rico has presented (in a million different illustrations)?

Koolaid, obviously. Cult flavour.
Logged

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2014, 10:42:50 AM »
I am good with being Ian Astbury...
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

Impending Doom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6288
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2014, 10:51:46 AM »
Logged

Good Times Good Times

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6462
  • INTJ Personality
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #57 on: February 19, 2014, 10:55:08 AM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on February 19, 2014, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on February 19, 2014, 10:33:35 AM
I think the question is at this point, what will it take for LuckyLefty to believe the objective facts Rico has presented (in a million different illustrations)?

Koolaid, obviously. Cult flavour.

No doubt, I'm just struggling to grasp why one would absolutley cling to an idea, even in the face of EVIDENCE suggesting otherwise?  Unless the static weight gods have him on payroll or something.........  :P

This is probably more of a psychological question....

If I have a presupposition, and evidence shows otherwise, I'll accept that.  I don't understand the absolute and fierce loyalty to a faulty presupposition.
Logged
GTx2

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2014, 11:21:45 AM »
Saw that concert...

25% of Americans believe that the sun circled the earth...
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

BallReviews-Removed0385

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 0
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2014, 12:46:26 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 19, 2014, 08:08:54 AM
To summarize maybe......

1. Top weight vs bottom weight doesn't affect the balls reaction on oil or dry or medium conditions

2. Surface is the bigger determining factor for these conditions.

3. Any difference of the two reactions between top weight and bottom weight on two identically drilled balls would be so minimal you could not see the results, similar to positive and negative side weight.

***Rereading most of these post will cause an aneurysm and readers will need to seek immediate medical attention.

I finally just read this thread and I'm on my way to the emergency room for my much anticipated aneurysm.  After my 80% recovery I should be able to carry the light hit instead of leaving the 7-10 split (once again).

For the record, I'm one that is constantly tweaking the surface on bowling balls to make up for my lack of actual talent.  Gotta bridge the talent gap somehow... ;)
Logged

Impending Doom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6288
Re: Basic Top Weight question
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2014, 12:51:22 PM »
Lane,

You're just reading it for the first time. The aneurysm happens only if you reread it. You're in the clear.
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6
« previous next »