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Warmon

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Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« on: August 16, 2006, 06:09:52 AM »
I have read that higher RG balls with modest differentials are what works best for down & in bowlers and those with less axis rotation. Do you agree with that? I can see where if the ball is rolling very quickly off hand, you'd want a ball that stores more energy for later down the lane. What drillings work best for these same type bowlers? Would you take a higher RG ball and put a high RG drilling on it? or something else?
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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2006, 11:30:45 AM »
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do you think the weight hole you mentioned is responsible for the change in reaction?


Or the mass bias position??  Since most bowlers (including myself) can't consistantly hit their target at the arrows, let alone at 36' to 45' down the lane at the breakpoint, how much influence is less than 1oz of static weight going to have?  My feeling is none.

As far as which balls work best, I think that's too general of a question.  It is going to depend on the lane surface/oil pattern and the individual bowler.  On most house shots, the ONLY way I can play "down and in" is with a plastic spare ball (drilled over the label ...I did manage to shoot 3 sets of 650+ with my Maxum last season) or a very mild pearl.  
On the other hand, I bowl with a few guys who exclusively play down and in..they have higher speed and lower revs.  They use aggressive equipment with "pin under" layouts and weight holes.  

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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2006, 11:34:34 AM »
Lor Rg drillings.... hit it all you want and just play with the surface to match the condition you are bowling on and what type game you have.

For me Power Tweener-Hot Rod Hybrid.  Multiple 300's and 21 in a row playing the shot you described.

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2006, 11:46:41 AM »
Northface...I assume you mean the basic or almost basic 135 drilling but with cg negative...

You put pin in a normal 4 or 5 inch pin to pap and then cg on negative side so that theoritical mass bias or real mass bias is on track or past it???  Correct?

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Warmon

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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2006, 12:15:38 PM »
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maybe this video will change your mind.


Thanks for that link. Very informative. I do think the test is fundamentally flawed in that the second ball does not meet static rule requirements. If it did, I think it would be more credible. In the video, they state asymetrical balls have similar reactions. This runs counter to their own drill sheets - PSA's in different locations for different conditions.

Hammer says that CG placement has no effect on identical balls layed out identical. Similar to what Brunswick is saying. They do however, say that balance holes change reaction on these same balls because the core has been altered.

I think what the Brunswick test attempts to prove is that side weight has no effect. So one must wonder, why have the side weight rule in the first place? What were they attempting to police? Could it be that ball dynamics is too much for anyone?...even the manufacturer's and USBC.

You know, another oddity about this whole thing is that the CG is not where marked as soon as you drill holes into it. You could probably move it back though with carefully shaving a bit out of each finger hole. It would be like trying to weight a tire/rim on a bubble balancer. The whole thing would be so much easier if top weight was eliminated and USBC said all balls had to be 0 top/bottom. 0 side/side [ie their can be no ball imbalance] and everybody drilled a 5/16 hole in the center of grip. weighted it with lead and plugged the hole.

This stuff is so heady, it's no wonder some think it's just smoke and mirrors.

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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2006, 12:28:13 PM »
I believe you have said something significant.

Why have the side weight rules at all as it doesn't matter!

But these rules were established a long time ago!

However!  This subject is one that has caused near fistfights to develop on this site...it was called the CG NOMADDAH debate.  Stay away from it at your own peril!

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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2006, 12:39:48 PM »
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The whole thing would be so much easier if top weight was eliminated and USBC said all balls had to be 0 top/bottom. 0 side/side [ie their can be no ball imbalance] and everybody drilled a 5/16 hole in the center of grip. weighted it with lead and plugged the hole.


...and how is all of that easier?

static weights have no bearing on ball reaction, period, get over it.

about your comment regarding the brunswick video:

 
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I do think the test is fundamentally flawed in that the second ball does not meet static rule requirements. If it did, I think it would be more credible.


answer me this... would it make a difference if it did pass static weight?
its to prove that if you cant see a difference between a large difference in the 2 side weights, you're not going to see a difference with a smaller difference in side statics.

forget brunswick, YOU'RE not credible!
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Warmon

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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2006, 02:10:29 PM »
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answer me this... would it make a difference if it did pass static weight?


Yes, absolutely it would. They state right in the video that USBC plans to keep the static rules in place, but yet offer up a test balls where one meets it and the other doesn't...IMO, they simply did not prove the objective.

 
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forget brunswick, YOU'RE not credible!


Jeez Mav, I never claimed to have any. It's simple. Do you have any constructive opinion about the original subject? If you do, I'd like to hear those.

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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2006, 02:23:21 PM »
aside from the CG argument:

see my combat zone tracer #2 Combat Zone Tracer

Low RG, Medium Strength Pearl. Weaker Pin-PAP, Low Pin

if you have medium revs, it will offer a great read on down & in, responds well to different hand positions, spin it up for a bigger move, stay behind for a early smooth read.

I even played the twig this week with it on carry down.

178-231-202

still crushes the pocket and keeps trucking though the pindeck.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Best Balls & Drillings for Down & In
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2006, 05:09:35 PM »
Yes LuckyLefty. I had a V2 like this and averaged 220+ in 2 leagues in the same season. I shouldve kept that ball.
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