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OHBowler

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Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« on: October 14, 2007, 09:29:13 PM »
ANyone who has messed around with teh dual angle layouts, what are the best combinations youve found for what shot you want?
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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2007, 12:32:05 PM »
I am not sure what you mean by a dual angle layout?  Please explain.
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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2007, 12:38:44 PM »
Its mo pinel's new drilling method.  You take a drilling angle, your pap, and a val angle to simplify your layouts.  I believe there is a post on here somewhere about the whole process.  Pretty much the sum of teh angles should not be any lower than 30 degrees or more than 160 degrees.
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scotts33

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2007, 12:39:48 PM »
How does it differ from Denny Torgeson's degree layout system?
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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 12:44:12 PM »
From another post:

dual angle layout technique

you need 3 things
1) A drilling angle
2) a distance from the positive axis point (PAP)
3) an angle between the pin to PAP line and the vertical axis line(VAL)

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2007, 01:03:17 PM »
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How does it differ from Denny Torgeson's degree layout system?
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Uses an additional angle.  Not only do you have the angle between the pin/mb line and your PAP, but also an angle between your pin/PAP line and the VAL.

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2007, 01:12:01 PM »
perpindicular to the VAL from the pin?

The two angles are measured..  Where?

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2007, 01:22:33 PM »
The first angle is the drilling angle. This is not new.

Then comes the pin-PAP distance. This is not new.

Then comes the pin-PAP line to VAL line degree measurement. This is remotely new.

To get the last angle, draw a line from the pin to the PAP. Then measure the angle to the VAL. A smaller angler will place the pin closer to the VAL, while a larger angle will place the pin further away.

Hope this helps. About "which is the best" or "what has been successful"...it really all depends. There is no "one" or "best" drilling. To each his own, my friend.

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 01:27:04 PM »
To me, this method seems to be quite straight forward and simple (much like Storms' method of using the "pin buffer").  However, the make it practical, a chart or table or some other information relating the dual angles needs to be available to give drillers an idea of what a 45deg/75deg layout will do for you (or 10deg/90deg, etc, etc)...  

I guess you need to go to a seminar for that information  

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2007, 01:29:09 PM »
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Uses an additional angle. Not only do you have the angle between the pin/mb line and your PAP, but also an angle between your pin/PAP line and the VAL.



So, what does the 2nd angle tell you Strapper?
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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2007, 01:32:35 PM »
It sounds like the dual angle method is pretty much the same as using the Pin Buffer method as on Storm's drill sheets.  Except angles are used (with a Pro Sect) instead of drawing circles thus eliminating the need for a compass.
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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2007, 01:44:26 PM »
We have been using it and just pick the angles and pin distance you would like for the reaction you want the bowler to have.
I works, some of the layouts look odd but they work.
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OHBowler

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2007, 03:01:42 PM »
i know there is no one that is best i just wanted to know which ones you guys liek so far?
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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2007, 03:21:25 PM »
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So, what does the 2nd angle tell you Strapper?



Essentially how far the pin will be located from the VAL.  The larger the angle, the further the pin will be away and the smaller the angle, the closer.  With the Storm layout method, pins closer to the VAL (< 1.5") give more length/backend, while pins further away from the VAL (> 3") give an earlier reaction/smoother backend.

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Re: Best Dual Angle Layouts youve found?
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2007, 08:54:32 PM »
I'm not sure yet.  I just read Mo's article and my driller's notes on the seminar he went to and we discussed it for a while.  I borrowed a Pro-Sect and am in the middle of nailing down all my layouts (symmetrical and asymmetrical) to see what my magic number might be.  

Hopefully I'll also discover why there are some balls in my arsenal that I really like, and other's that I totally despise on most occasions.
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