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xrayjay

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Bevel....
« on: January 10, 2015, 02:41:40 PM »
If the span and pitches are correct....

Fill in the blank:

Not enough bevel will_______________

Too much bevel will_________________

Does a round object have sides? I say yes, pizza has triangles..

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Impending Doom

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2015, 03:04:33 PM »
Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle

The more you talk, the more I want to have you fit me.

xrayjay

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2015, 05:15:43 PM »
Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle

The more you talk, the more I want to have you fit me.

I haven't had issue whatsoever since JustRico adjusted my grip several years ago. I recently had it shorted a bit after I returned from one year and a half lay off. One thing I'm really enjoying with my grip beside the timing of my release, is that, my hand isn't fatigue after bowling several games or squads in a day.

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2015, 06:28:08 AM »
"NO" bevel?

?  All hands? 

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2015, 07:58:50 AM »
I've had no bevel in my fingers for about 13 years, but the thumb is a different story. I have a slug that's sharp, and I can use it, but there's a nerve or tendon or something that ends up hurting after bowling. So its close, but not perfect.

LuckyLefty

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2015, 09:51:13 AM »
"NO" Bevel?

All Hands?

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Luckylefty
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JustRico

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2015, 10:29:51 AM »
As much as I have great disdain in responding to any of your posts...
Bevel in accommodating gripping or squeezing is merely a band aid...if the gripping angles are correct and the wrist is supporting the bowling ball properly the need for bevel is strongly minimized but the two must interact correctly in accomplishing this
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2015, 10:36:43 AM »
I think it could happen with a proper fit and gravity fed swing. Can't squeeze and have no bevel.

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2015, 11:14:34 AM »
That tends to be more of a fallacy than fact as most believe they 'need' bevel to 'hold' onto
If the grip is correct there is no need to 'hold' onto
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2015, 11:15:14 AM »
before, I used medium to a lot of bevel. I have a bone anomaly located on the anterior proximal 1st metacarpal and that used to bother me that I developed a callous at the base of my thumb.

after adjustments to my grip and smoothing out the slug edge (little bevel), and no more issues and callous. real world baby lol......JustRico is right...... ;)
Does a round object have sides? I say yes, pizza has triangles..

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JustRico

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2015, 11:23:54 AM »
If the wrist is supportive properly then gravity or otherwise bevel can be minimized
Grip and timing generally create the need for bevel other than what ray stated but he has even required minimal smoothing to accommodate his injury
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2015, 11:26:42 AM »
All I know is that JustRico and Gizmo823 been very helpful with my problems.

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2015, 02:16:52 PM »
Very interesting set of answers. 

We have gone from no bevel needed if pitches are perfect in conjunction with the wrist supporting, to well maybe a little, but in conjunction with other elements mentioned.  I agree bevel will reduce with a more perfect fit.  I note some hands seem to require more bevel in the thumb based on the amount of skin between the thumb and the hand.  Those with almost no fleshy area there seeming to require the more or most minimal amounts of bevel.

SO, the Mo Pinel bevel tips I mentioned are designed to help bowlers get out from the various setups they have exactly...Now with today's setup.!  Impending somewhat refers to this.  A sharp almost no bevel thumbhole gives him nerve damage.  This is not unusual for many people who like to vary forward from the pitch tables.  By applying the Mo Pinel ring finger test and noting the probable drag on the flat portion of the thumb he most likely will probably start to slowly relieve the painful sharp pressure point on the flat of his thumb by gently adding a "sufficient" amount of bevel.

Of course a master such as Just Rico could change all this by varying spans and "angles in the ball"  Most probably leaving you/Impending
 with the perfect no bevel setup and a proper dynamic fit.

Again, I reiterate I just add gentle amounts of bevel to balance removal of hanging in the ball with holding power(less bevel).  Of course pitches obviously play strongly into this scenario.

Regards,

Luckylefty


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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2015, 02:27:09 PM »
Again if you read what I wrote...I do not believe in bevel in facilitating a proper release...some do require a softer edge in regards to a nerve issue which is known as neuroma btw...
Do not spin my words or my philosophies...I do not waffle as many others do to merely keep themselves in the headlines...there is no one single way to deal with everyone as many wish to spin...we are individuals that in more cases than not are fit improperly and have had band aids applied to fix the uneducated...
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2015, 02:49:30 PM »
Let's talk about fitting an average bowler that generally doesn't have enough strength to hold a proper wrist angle or lacking enough strength in the fingers to support the ball.   A lot of fit problems are because of  the bowlers lack of strength or lack of coaching to know how to  "hang on" or "release" in the proper manner.  Put him in a "proper" fit as it's called here, with minimum bevel and he'll have a nightmare on his hands.

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2015, 02:57:16 PM »
Not if the person fitting them are also working with them on understanding the mechanics/dynamics of the fit and the approach...also this is why wrist supports are/were designed
Blaming miseducation (as well as the unwillingness of too many to not wish to properly learn) on this is not a strong defense...
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