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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: Ramtart on May 25, 2006, 08:56:15 AM
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Hi All,
I was just curious. I was browsing around and wondered about the prices of Pro Shop Packages. I stumbled upon the Jayhawkbowling.com website and looked at the Value Package that they had. The Value Package includes the Jet Press.
Here's the link - http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_Shop_Packages/Value_Package/Value_Package.html
Here's a Picture of the Package (Press, Bits, Etc.) - http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_Shop_Packages/151180.jpg
Value Package Includes
Mini Mill with Jet Press
24 Bit Set
Bit Holder
Kaufman Scale
Jayhawk Standard Measuring Ball
Jayhawk Pro Model Ball Spinner
Jayhawk Plug Cutter II
High Speed Sander
CAB Resurface Kit
Brunswick Factory Finish (2 Quarts)
Bevel Knives (2)
Jonell Pitch Gauges
Jayhawk Span Tool
Turbo Pro Sect
DBA Ball Plug
DBA Ball Plug Pumps
DBA Ball Plug Color Kit
Plug Dams
Yellow Grease Pencils (12)
Jayhawk Drill Pads (2)
Vantage Ball Cups (12)
Part #15-1180-5: Value Package with Mini Mill 110 volt, 60 cycle
Part #15-1180-6: Value Package with Mini Mill 220 volt, 60 cycle
Part #15-1180-7: Value Package with Mini Mill 220 volt, 50 cycle
Hey guys, how much would something like this cost?
This seems to be the cheapest package since it isn't the Oval-Matic or Tri-Oval Press.
Thanks everyone!
Ram
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Edited on 5/25/2006 4:53 PM
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Around $5K I believed
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Honestly I got a lot of balls. No NOT BOWLING BALLS!
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Innovative has a very close set, all of the same type things. The measuring ball is Innovative, but includes everything else. I had a Jayhawk price list, but it was last years, but Innovative beat them by a few hundred, if I remember right.
Both are good companies, either will work well for you, I just like Innovative and they are closer to me, less shipping.
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AZ Guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
rlbowlerspro@cox.net
www.rlbowlerspro.com
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Thanks guys, keep em' coming. AZ guy, do you happen to have a ball park figure of how much the Innovative packages are. Are these prices offered to the general public? Thanks!
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Around $5K I believed
I got balls, do you know someone who has purchased a package like this and thanks!
Ram
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Food is good for you!
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msg sent.
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AZ Guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
rlbowlerspro@cox.net
www.rlbowlerspro.com
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I paid alot more than that for my press alone.
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The Cyrness: Member -Fellowship of The Saws
Limestone Bowling Supply
Kingston, ON
613 634 5510
Edited on 5/25/2006 7:05 PM
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yeah, I would guess that's on the low side.. A few years back I requested a price list from JayHawk and was floored by the prices... I would do a little hunting (maybe even consider taking out a small ad in BJ or BTM) to find some used equipment from a proshop/store going out of business. Sort of like buying a new car... they are incredibly expensive, but as soon as they have been "pre-owned", the price goes down quite a bit... Another option is to contact the booths at nationals (Vegas bowling supply maybe?) as they sell their equipment at the end of the tournament...
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Don't get the mini mill I purchased one it was one of the worst decisions of my life. It is not constructed well at all when you drill into the core at an angle that the your drilling into core on one side of the hole and not on the other the tables twist quite noticeably, same with cutting down plug. I have a Precision Ovalmatic System Two and love it. Brunswick has two Ovalmatic System Three milling machines at the nationals booth and they are selling them for between $5500-6000. Here's a link http://www.precisionbowlingproducts.com/ovalmatic_machines.html, Keep in mind that the System Three is the same press used on the PBA tour truck, and brand new with everything cost $9,000-10,000. Instead of having to do X-Y table movements you only have to turn the jig to the desired oval angle, Realign the bit to the hole using the X-Y tables switch to an end mill, set the digital pitch gauge to incremental(temporary 0 pitch, and shift the X table in .030 increments while drilling into the hole at each .030 increment until you reach the desired oval width.
One more thing to keep in mind is that the presses at nationals come with the bits and end mills. End mills alone for a full set cost $1,800 brand new, and jayhawk does not offer end mills at all.
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"Viva la Nacion"
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If I understood him right, this is for home use. If that's the case, the price is a bit high. Not that the equipment isn't worth it, just not, IMO, for someone who just wants to drill his own and maybe a few friends.
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AZ Guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
rlbowlerspro@cox.net
www.rlbowlerspro.com
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JAYHAWK DRILL PRESS IS JUNK!
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Currently in the 6 ball roller:
15lb. EPX-T1 - 12:30 Leverage - Heavy oil
14lb. Enriched uranium - 1:30 - Heavy oil
14lb. Quantum Raven - 1:30 - Heavy to Medium
14lb. Absolute Inferno - 1:30 - Medium
14lb. Quantum Elite - 1:30 - Medium to Dry
14lb. XXXL - 12:30 Leverage - Light oil
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I have a pretty decent setup...total setup was 1500...and the drill press is new.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I do not have a scale...must stop by local friendly pro shop!
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I've seen these presses, but when making your ovals, the H and V moves are done with the table correct? you don't move the jig. The jig is just a clamp system.
This was my favorite system to work with:
http://www.ebonite.com/tradesection/comercial_prod_catalog/detail.php?PRKey=25
loved it with the three point clamp because it was fast and so solid.
just one problem i had the press i think 3 months and one time i went to lift the ball out of the jig and i accidentially pushed my hand against the brand new drill bit( wasn't running of course d'uh) but dang that was sharp. I cut a tendon just below my thumb and started bleeding.
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shop
Staff Writer 7-10 Split Magazine,EGO Communications
Montreal, Quebec.
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Guys/Gals, this information is awesome. Keep it coming!
LuckyLefty, what type of press do you have? Also, did you just purchase the drill bits that you would need for your own holes or did you get a whole set?
For starters, I am thinking of probably just getting a press like the Jayhawk Jet Press. It doesn't have to be Jayhawk though.
Thanks everyone!
Ram
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Delta 17-365...Got it from a Delta Woodworking store(I don't even know if anyone still out there).
$400 shipped with a one year return for anyreason.
A lot of big drill presses are $400 to ship!
Drill bits...just a few for me(I use inserts in all holes).
REgards,
Luckylefty
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I posted some time back inquiring about buying a drill press or creating my own like what lucky lefty did. And luckily someone sent me a P.M. saying they know someone who had a gillmac for sale. I ended up calling and set something up and had it delivered last sunday.
Not a GillMac!!!! LOL I thought our shop had the last one of those dinosaurs in existence prior to leaving it at the scrap yard last year... Besides being enclosed, so hitting the lines was difficult at best, ours had some much "slop" in it that anyone (including the experienced drillers) were hard pressed to get within 1/16" on the actual span (and if they did, it was usually because two small errors cancelled themselves out!). It was horrid.. and the clamping system would leave little indented "v's" on each side of the grip....
I have to say though.. that is what I learned to drill on... and now, I think that I'm more careful because of using it.
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Edited on 5/26/2006 12:24 PM
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You guys are great...just curious do any of you guys have a picture of a Gillmac press? I'm in California, so Cincy would be pretty far for it shipped. Thanks for the offer though ProShopKid.
Keep em' coming guys!
P.S. LuckyLefty, are Delta's still around?
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www.deltamachinery.com
Other guys stuff is bigger and sturdier than mine. Mine is plenty big and plenty sturdy for my needs.
I believe one can go to Home Depot or Lowes's and special order.
Prices are a little higher than mine was a few years ago for similar models...and tax must be paid(over internet I did not have to).
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
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I got my Delta press from Lowes and it has been great , I think i paid around 250.00 for the press . I bought the jig from a friend who has a couple pro-shops i got it for 100.00.
I have everything i need except a Do-Do scale, and i have around 1000.00 invested.
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Thanks for all the help and replies guys, keep em' coming.
Deadbait, thanks for chiming in as well.
First off, what is wrong with learning how to drill, weigh, & prep your own bowling equipment? I love the game of bowling and everything about it. Although my bowling career is still in its' infancy stage (16 years) and is far from the "been there and done that," type of career you have had, I thought your comment was unfair.
First of all. It has always been my dream to one day to layout, drill & prep my own equipment. I have several other friends that love the game a bunch and would like to fulfill their dream as well.
We are not looking to get rich. We are not wealthy people. We are possibly looking to splitting the costs of the necessary equipment & tools to drill our own equipment.
I understand if you have an issue with the Manufacturers getting rich off people in which you refer to as, "Wanna be ball drillers." I could care less about that. No matter if I want to drill 1 ball or 10 balls a year, that's my choice. The ball manufacturers know where their profits are coming from.
If you are taking a shot at me by personally calling me a, "wanna-be ball driller" in the making, so be it. It has always been a dream to know how to prepare my own equipment.
With the help of a few friends and good pro shop drillers that we know, this dream can possibly be achieved. For one thing, I have the utmost respect for the good ball drillers that I've met in my life. It is a tough industry to be in. The hours they put in and the ups & downs of the economy that they have to endure.
So what's wrong with putting ourselves in our Mentors shoes and achieving the fulfillment of helping and educating ourselves and others one day...
Thanks for listening guys and I'm off my soapbox now...
Sincerely Yours,
Ram
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Food is good for you!
Edited on 5/30/2006 11:05 AM
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Preach on Ram... as with anything, the but way to learn is to jump in and get some experience. For the most part, drilling a ball is very simple.... You hit the lines drawn on a ball with the appropriate sized drill bit and at the appropriate pitches. The complex part comes in fitting and to a lesser degree, laying out a ball. I say, go for it.
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While I agree that drilling holes in ball, if you have the right equipment, should be easily done, the real skill of a proshop operator is being able to measure and fit customers.
Drilling for yourself is one thing but drilling for pay is another.