We all know, cg or mass bias out usually creates more midlane.  CG or MB stacked creates less.  Cg back towards thegrip center(correction) or  MB or under the thumb or in the track seems to create what used to be called lope or wait before the ball made it's move!

What is the relavance of this not as often used drilling in today's game?  Especially for bowlers with plenty of side roll.  Lope is a part of their roll already.

I am bowling in a center where drillings that create midlane just force me very deep.  I have 60 to 70 degree side roll, can cg back towards the grip center or MB under the Thumb work for me.  Traditionally they haven't but I think that certain conditions make it more likely it would work for me. 

Drilling gurus?

REgards,

Luckylefty

I think your reading too much into the layout of symmetrics. If your axis rotation is affecting the ball that much then you need to weight the factors that are causing the reaction.

That's what I think too....I still say it's a technique issue rather than put a lot of effort and money into equipment fixes...I'd fix the axis rotation issue first. 

My guess is that the ball "fit" is an issue and only allows one type of release rather than multiple?  I have seen this time and again.  Fit only allows one way to get out of ball and maybe loose thumb so the use of death grip hang up and muscled arm swing.  Maybe yes maybe not but I tend to think it's more than than keep buying weak equipment.....though I shouldn't point fingers.   

Some wonderful points above.  Funny and I appreciate the comments both Scott33 and RightyComplex.  Funny in that just yesterday I rotated pitches more right!

I liked the results.  I again note on this shot unless lofting over 6 feet over the foul line with good speed I haven't seen hardly a bowler over 30 degrees of axis rotation have any good results, but at 20 degrees from fluffers to revvers it likes fish in a barrel.

I will tell you I bowled with one of the best bowlers in the house the other day, 230 average and 30 degrees axis rotation.  He doesn't know what he is doing....pin about 3 3/4 and up cg next to the grip center...House drilling, everyone that tries it seems to be dramatically better than those with Mass Bias or CGs out.

I can fight um...but i have to say I've joined em!  A drilling that has very seldom worked for me....DRAMTATIC difference in pocket ownership for me!

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS I think the changes recommended for my game above, will be very beneficial for me!  I do appreciate it the learning process.

Well Lefty,

With 30 AR, they are getting the ball to roll heavier in the backend. You're getting around the ball more with 70 (i believe you mentioned) so its going to flip, so your going to cover more board and surface will be a premium. I just think an earlier rolling layout will a dead surface will yield better result because you want to get the ball to lay off.

Guys,

Alsways room for improvement.  While I continue to use my old dead Ti Messenger with a 4 X 5 drilling!  I really can move left with that thing(no midlane like the rest of the bowlers in the house! when they apply that drilling, hmmmm?)

I am working on less axis rotation, note pitches recommended above!  I also have been using a 1 3/4 X 5 Vibe, and will soon have a 2 X 2.

Regards,

Luckylefty

Rightycomplex,

I also used a lightly polished 900 Global Favorite and if I had not had thumbhole exit issues on a few shots (new thumbinsert in that one).  I loved it's reaction playing the wet dry strategy I suggested above!

I believe it has quite similar specs as the Storm Manic...Right?

REgards,

Luckylefty

I am adding a link here that Scott33 sent me.

http://www.blueprintbowling.com/Blog/Posts/blueprint-testing-by-earl-and-supercats.aspx

This link does speak to the subject of different drillings but it does speak to the subject of how much a 60 to 70 degree axis rotation player adds to ball movement!!
Also the concept of effective rev rate based on axis tilt is interesting also.

The above concept of how much more movement one gets with a lot of side roll versus a small amount of side roll is quite dramatic.  Thsi is why I ask my question about throwbot and it's axis rotation for the cgnomadeh test referenced above.

I have recently done a bit of testing with some drillings that are symmetrics to verify some of my ideas.

Please anyone involved in the Brunswick tests above...axis rotation used?

Regards,

Luckylefty

purduepaul at bowlingchat.net was very involved in the ball motion studies.  Ask your question in the General Discussion forum under Mo & Friends and you may get answer (he's not on the boards very frequently).  --  JohnP 

On this pattern and solutions. 

I'm learning!  And enjoying the learning.

Every part of my game is having to be changed but I'm seeing some intermediate results.

Where my game loves oil and I spent a couple of years bowling in tournaments where it was FTL day!  I got nicely pretty proficient at it!

Now this center with it's Prodigy oil, Kegel stripping, and 35 feet of oil with buff out to 40 is in my opinion one of the most extreme wet/dry 35 feet shots I've seen.  Especially on the left!  Oh did I add they don't have oil for about 24 inches over the foul line.

SO, no more down on the foul line.  No more looking at the dots or arrows. In fact if I have seen a pattern look more like Cheetah as I have seen it on TV?  Not really!  Have I seen a pattern match up more difficult than this one for this revs dominant slow speed lefty with my high axis rotation?  Not really!

But all of sudden I am having some noticeable improvement.  Some from the guys right here! 

Steps taken  1. rotated pitched to the right a little over 1/8!  (Less axis rotation).
2.  Raised my eye focus to the white board running down next to 5(yes the 6 board).  3.  Extended my arm aggressively out to and throw the 6 board while standing 27 or 28. (result more speed and clearing the two foot no mans land desert).  4.  Taking a high pin, power house assymetric pearl and flinging it into that desert near the gutter at about 32 feet.  Result lots of hit, hold(in the dirt), and pin action at the pocket.

Surprises?  I am very surprised how strong a pearl I am using, and how powerful it's assymetric is leading to lots of hit! 

I note that the left side has this wet dry look with the "buff" area reacting like the Mojave.  I have thrown crossover spares into the righty " buff" area from 35 to 40 and note that after practice the hold in that area is unmistakeable and quite nice.

Where the lefties "hold" is in the dirt near the gutter(1 board right in the 36 foot mark of the pattern from 8 to 11 for a lefty is brooklyn plus sometimes MUCH!  For those not seeing this pattern aggressive brutal crossovers far from the headpin are common and funny!

Also, regarding the label drilling above.....seems very nice playing to the end of the pattern for righties  For Lefties 45 degree drill angle drillings with strong mass bias seem to work real well using the Columbia wet dry tip of 5 boards outside of the crown edge noted above.

When reading the description of the strategy of cheetah,,,,that is what I am doing!

While currently most of the telephone number scores are being shot by righties, I believe telephone number scores possible for a lefty that figures out how to play this pattern!  Which to my untrained eye moves like cheetah on the left!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS anyone like to describe their impression of Prodigy oil?


   

 

Here are my attemped changes