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shelley

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Thumb pitch question
« on: April 19, 2007, 02:10:34 AM »
What is the effect of having a lateral pitch in the thumb hole away from palm?  I don't have any kind of callus or pain on that side of my thumb, but sometimes I feel like it's not exactly straight in the thumb hole.  I was thinking about trying a little bit of outward pitch the next time but I was curious how that would affect my release.

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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2007, 10:15:35 AM »
being right handed left lateral promotes more end over end roll...right lateral promotes more side rotation...i found i get out of the thumbhole faster with left lateral but i dont like left...
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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2007, 10:16:46 AM »
actually this is a great question.  I was wondering the same thing.  I was having trouble getting my thumb out of the ball.  It wasn't because the thumbhole was too small it was because I felt like the pitch was inverted and i was catching my thumb-knuckle on it.

I had the ball re-drilled with some negative pitch, my thumb came out of the ball smoothly then, but I find it a little harder to come around the ball because it's almost too smooth.

After trying negative pitch I had it drilled again but this time instead of having the pitch changed I smoothed down the thumbslug so that the top part of the thumb is actually worn down slightly which allows my thumb to come out smooth but still allows me to come around the ball nicely.

not sure if that helps, but I hope it does!

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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2007, 10:25:59 AM »
Lateral pitch will - if the hand dictates so - improve a clean release. I have a friend who used to have no lateral pitch at all (low tracker), and on a new ball he just had the pro shop operator try out a slight lateral side pitch (towards PAP), and it made it much easier for him to get a clean release.
So, if you face release problems and feel the insert on your thumb's sides, you'd consider such an option, too.
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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2007, 10:58:13 AM »
Right lateral meaning that, looking at the grip "normally", the thumb hole goes towards the PAP (and under palm)?  I believe I'm thinking about left lateral pitch, I didn't use "right" and "left" because I feel like "away from palm" is much clearer.  Just trying to keep my terminology straight.

I have a tendency to tug the ball left, and sometimes if feels like my thumb is getting hung up and not turning with the ball.  The hole is not too tight, I have two pieces of tape on the front of the hole because without it, I feel like I have to squeeze too much, there's too much wiggle room.

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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2007, 11:00:44 AM »
sounds like you need more reverse..away from palm to clear thumbhole faster..i just went to 1/16 right lat and 3/16 reverse and clear thumbhole great...
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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2007, 02:03:24 PM »
For a right hander, left lateral pitch (away) typically promotes the hand staying behind the ball and thus a more end-over-end, lower axis rotation.  That being said, too much left can put pressure on the outside of you thumb and create friction causing you to hang up in the ball.

Just keep in mind that small changes to pitch, either vertically or laterally...can have a big difference on feel and release.  I'm talking 1/16" to 1/8" will definitely be enough to feel.  And be very careful when changing both vertical AND lateral pitch at the same time...you may not know which one worked and which didn't.

A lot of this is also by feel...I went through a trial and error basis on many balls and still don't feel like I'm right, although close.  I'm 1/8" left (away) and 1/8" reverse.  Any less left and I get too much side turn it seems...and any more reverse I start to squeeze.


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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2007, 10:37:57 PM »
Isn't lateral thumb pitch a function of the flexibility of the thumb?
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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2007, 10:40:30 PM »
BTW, as far as VERTICAL pitches go, reverse is never a good thing to have - never.  Most need at least 1/4 forward, some 1/8, but having any reverse at all guarantees that you are squeezing the ball.  No question.
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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2007, 11:24:57 PM »
simply not true. If one uses an extremely tight thumb hole to promote a TOTALLY relaxed grip and release some reverse pitch may be needed. It's also all relative to the amount of lateral pitch being used which can cause hanging up, the reverse pitch negates this WITHOUT causing any additional or excessive grip pressure. Using reverse is also dependent upon the bowlers flexibility, the span and style of release.

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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2007, 09:13:09 AM »
I would really like to see someone who has a span of over 5 inches uses a 1/4 forward pitch,




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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2007, 09:14:01 AM »
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And length of thumb.

Pitch is dictated by span. Saying never use something, as far as picth, is not a very good ball driller.
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and flexibility, if i bowler cannot bend their thumb a lot, some reverse maybe necessary to help with that
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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2007, 10:25:56 PM »
Robert Smith is using 3/4 reverse, I think he can win some more big time tournament if he used 1/4 forward.

how about Pete Weber ?

I also back to use 1/8 reverse from my 1/4 forward after I have lots of workout on my body shape.

I think the pitch should be a 'feel' of defination.

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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2007, 11:39:11 AM »
I have a 4 15/16 inch span.
I use a 1/4 forward in my thumb.
It's all about the flexibility of your thumb and your release.

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Re: Thumb pitch question
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2007, 01:29:47 PM »
last night I changed my thumb from 0/0 to 1/8th left and 1/8th reverse (have several switch grips w/different pitches) and was able to relax my release while using a 59/64th hole which usually I hang up in when the weather gets warmer. With the 1/8th combo my thumb cleared perfectly with no hangup or early release.

Funny thing is, I've had the 1/8th/1/8th switch grip for over a year but never really used it until last night. It's amazing how such a small incremental change in pitch can have such a profound effect!