Author Topic: Clock Layouts (Read 4248 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** September 20, 2003, 08:57:08 AM »

I have a question of the definition of the following "CLOCK LAYOUTS".
Where is the PIN and CG located on the two following layouts:

10:30 Layout

1:30 Layout
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SrKegler · « **Reply #1 on:** September 21, 2003, 12:25:23 AM »

Brickguy, it's not where they are located, its the angle thats created. To make it simple, draw a line from your pin to the CG, put a dot 1/2 way down the line. From the dot to the pin is the hour, dot to CG is the minute.

A simple 1:30 RH drilling would have the pin by the ring finger, the CG in the center of the grip.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #2 on:** September 21, 2003, 12:39:18 AM »

I have always wondered what a 2:53 drilling would give me, so I asked Mo Pinel, and he said he would be done drilling it about about 3:05.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2003, 01:58:24 AM »

Sr. Kegler, then a 1:30 drilling with PIN by ring finger and CG in center of grip would also be label leverage, is that right?

Excaliber, if you want to be a clown, you should join a Circus.

Gosh, how would a person learn anything on this site if it were not for people (S.A.'s) like you?

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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2003, 07:49:03 AM »

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Sr. Kegler, then a 1:30 drilling with PIN by ring finger and CG in center of grip would also be label leverage, is that right?

Not at all. It depends on where your PAP is. If that pin posiiton has the pin in the 3 1/4" to roughly 3 3/4" distance from your positive axis point, then you would probably say it is in the leverage "range".

Brick,

Clock layouts are named solely as an easy way to reference certain angles created by the line from PAP to pin and pin to CG (or MB). Also since 99% of drillers give newbies or people they are not familiar with a 1:30 drilling, no matter what their release/delivery specs are, it's an easy way to reference this drilling.

In general, you place the pin where you want it for a particular ball, then this clock setting (which is really a layout of the core angle, as far as I can tell), in coordination with ball surface, bowler's speed, oil amount, etc., can help to give you a picture of the ball's path: hockey stick, banana, etc.

A "clock setting" reference is only a small piece of the layout picture. The pin distance from the PAP and its actual location are much more important.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2003, 09:38:04 AM »

Thanks Charlest. I'm still a little fuzzy about this. The reason I asked the question is that I heard one person say 10:30 drillings work best for him but 1:30 drillings don't. I was trying to picture in my mind where the Pin and CG were located for each one in relation to the grip......Why don't people describe layouts such as:

Pin over ring finger and Cg kicked out 2"
Pin over bridge and CG in middle of palm
Pin beside ring finger and CG kicked out 1/2"
Pin under ring finger and CG kicked out 1 1/2"

And etc. etc. etc......It would make it much-much easier for "simpletons" like myself to understand.

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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2003, 11:07:39 AM »

Of course they should specify their total drilling picture in such a way as you do, Brick. However, when he says that 10:30s are better for him than 1:30s, he is just saying that he requires (or likes) balls drilled to rev up earlier and hook more than later with less backend. 10:30s are used by higher speed bowlers and lower rev bowlers, for obvious reasons. 1:30s are used by slower speed bowlers and by higher rev bowlers, or combinations of the two factors. That is the general difference between such drillings.

As I mentioned, one can place the pin anywhere.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2003, 11:25:55 AM »

I wish they'd do away with the degree system and just go with the clock system. The clock system is much easier to visualize in my opinion. Plus, it would be nice to standardize everything instead of having 2 methods that do the same thing. =:^D

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2003, 01:03:47 PM »

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I wish they'd do away with the degree system and just go with the clock system. The clock system is much easier to visualize in my opinion. Plus, it would be nice to standardize everything instead of having 2 methods that do the same thing. =:^D

T-God, I'm surprised at you. (OK, I Know you're joking.)
but you know they clock systen is wrong for about 90% of the bowlers!! How many people have PAPs at 5 1/2" over and 3/4" up or whatever is required for it to be accurate. At least the degree system is accurate for everyone.
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srlunatic · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2003, 02:40:32 AM »

Here is a wonderful source on Clock Drillings, Pin/MB positions and such.....

http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets.php

Link is to Rollrite Proshop in Nottingham, England. Run by Mario Joseph......the last 2 winners of the British Open have been Mario's students....great driller and instructor and the info is well written and easy to understand....

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2003, 08:24:38 AM »

Yep Brick guy!

Your illustrations are quite good.

Now for example I say 10:30 drillings are good for me, but usually only if I have a strong pin 4 or closer to pap.

1:30 on the other hand is quite snappy and exciting, does not need as strong a pin.

(Note I was using the righty descriptions above, when I say 10:30 I mean cg kicked out, when I say 1:30 I mean cg kicked back towards the grip.

REgards,

Luckylefty

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2003, 10:22:18 AM »

srlunatic,

Thanks a bunch for this information. You are correct when you said "wonderful source" as it surely is a wonderful source. Again, many thanks.

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