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KMAN300

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pitch question for jeffrevs or any one who can help
« on: August 05, 2003, 09:05:48 AM »
I'm just recently getting into drilling balls and was wondering?
Is there a general guide or some sort of way to know how much under palm pitch
to use on a drilling.
For instance I'm drilling a ball for a friend and her span is 4 1/8 x 4 1/4
Can someone tell me what kind of under palm pitch I should use for her?
And what if the span were 5" where would I go on that ?
Any help would be really appreciated!!

Thanks Kevin
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Re: pitch question for jeffrevs or any one who can help
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2003, 12:37:25 AM »
Kevin,

According to the chart I have (mo pinel's chart--it also matches the chart used by Bill Taylor) it would really depend on the flex they have in their thumb.
Example of how to figure this out is this---hold your hand where you are looking at the back of the hand with all 4 fingers straight and together with the fingers pointed to the left (for righties), and the thumb at a 90 degree angle (or as much as it bends). You want to apply a little pressure to see how much the thumb can flex back to the right. Use this method when checking for forward or reverse pitch---

He has it listed in terms of degrees.
Very flexible when applying the slight pressure to the thumb---if it bends back
-150 degrees that is very flexible the pitch for the 4 1/8 would be 1/8 forward for the 5 inch span 5/16 reverse
-135 degrees is average 4 1/8 would be 1/16 forward and the 5 would be 3/8 reverse
-105 degrees is some flex 4 1/8 would be 0  and the 5 would be 7/16 reverse
-90 degrees would be average tight
4 1/8 would be 1/16 reverse and 5 would be 1/2 reverse
-75degrees would be very tight and the 4 1/8 would be 1/8 reverse and the 5 would be 9/16 reverse.


I hope you can understand the angles part of it, and the method I tried to explain.  
When you say under palm, I am a little confused. Do you mean forward and reverse pitches or are you speaking in terms of the lateral pitch of the thumb?
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Jeffrevs

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Re: pitch question for jeffrevs or any one who can help
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2003, 07:28:40 AM »
Kevin......I really appreciate a post in this board with MY name in it looking for advice ! However.......I'm not THAT technical....Thanks though..that made my day !

There is a post from a couple weeks ago by Lucky Lefty......use your search mode and go back a few weeks regarding "pitch"...you'll find it.  He lists the Bill Taylor formula....good luck!


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Re: pitch question for jeffrevs or any one who can help
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2003, 11:24:00 AM »
Kman,

For whatever it's worth, honestly,
This is not a question you should be asking here.
You should go to the IBPSIA website, the International Bowling Pro Shop and Instructors Association. They are THE Drilling professionals. They offer the course you should attend.

http://www.ibpsia.com/default.asp

There are books such as Bill Taylor's, and Mo Pinel's, but IBPSIA is THE source.
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Re: pitch question for jeffrevs or any one who can help
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2003, 09:19:57 AM »
I like the flexibility test above.

The Bill Taylor tables are as follows.  
4 span = 1/8 forward
4 1/8 = 1/16 forward
4 1/4 = 0 forward reverse
4 1/2 = 1/8 reverse
4 3/4 = 1/4 reverse
5 = = 3/8 reverse

All of these assume 0 forward reverse on fingers.
More reverse on fingers often allows more forward on thumb slighly.

Also Bill Taylor also allowed for droppers and hangers.
Droppers due to short thumb or dry thumb go 1/8 forward from table.
Hangers due to long thumb or wet thumb go 1/8 reverse from table.

Note bevel is then so important.  I wrote a long winded thing on "What Mo Pinel taught me about bevel" out on drilling.  May have to expand number of days to view to find it.

Remember there is front bevel for pain under thumb and lofting.  There is side bevel for pulling.  These do NOT have to be the same amount.  ie you can have a lot of front bevel and very little side bevel.

Also taping is so important!

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Re: pitch question for jeffrevs or any one who can help
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2003, 09:21:53 AM »
In addition lateral pitch is found via the coke bottle test as first test!

I wrote a very long winded thing on drilling called "Musings on a perfect fit"
Which covers that (Under drilling also).

Hope someof this helps!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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