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lefty50

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Possible Epiphany - Static Weight WHEN vs WHAT
« on: January 07, 2007, 12:26:40 AM »
I apologize for this slightly heavier than normal discussion of physics, but it helps me understand something I've been doing very wrong... I can't throw asym gear, even though I load it with everything including sanded surfacec and static weight...

Putting the following widely held thoughts together...

1. A ball doesn't begin to hook until it loses axis tilt and rotation.
2. Under current technology guidelines, static weights have minimal influence.
3. Surface has a much bigger effect.
4. Negative side and bottom can minimize hook (true in old technology)
5. Positive side, top, and finger all add distance, with positive side also contributing to overall hook.

Premise: if I ignore the WHAT of statics and emphasize the WHEN, it all makes sense. Although static weights may not be a major factor in creating hook as they were in the old days, positive side, top, (and I would also include finger) most surely can delay the hook potential of current technology balls beyond optimal distance.

Therefore, saying that statics have minimal influence is harmful and misleading. It really needs to change from a physical factor to a timing factor. In fact, it would be easy to state that statics do, in fact, have a potentially LARGE impact since they can delay the reaction from taking place within the necessary distance range.

Regarding surface,  you may say a polished surface "stores energy", but it's not a 100% factor and never could be from the laws of physics since friction still comes into play at a value > 0 no matter what. So, instead of losing energy by changing surface, I could POTENTIALLY employ static weight to change the WHEN and have more energy stored for the reaction instead of losing energy by changing surface.

Conclusion: It's fair to say that changing statics not only helps the reaction begin within the required distance, it also lends to a stronger reaction since the reaction is enabled earlier and with more energy potential.

Therefore, particularly for a low-rev semi-spinner like me, the following would be true:

1. Static weight is a potentially major consideration
2. Going negative can help much more than hurt (rule 4 must be false today, or at least greatly overruled by technology)

From a physics viewpoint, this all seems to be logical, but I never considered it until I changed the thought of statics from WHAT to WHEN...

Was this obvious to everyone except me?
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Greg T

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Re: Possible Epiphany - Static Weight WHEN vs WHAT
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2007, 09:31:53 AM »
Yes, someone who understands what I've been arguing about for a long time. In a nutshell, statics become dynamics as son as the ball moves.




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Re: Possible Epiphany - Static Weight WHEN vs WHAT
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2007, 09:52:29 AM »
Sorry, it's still not obvious to me.

To start with, with today's dynamic cored balls, putting polish on a 600 grit dull ball will, to my mind's eye and in my experience, have a significantly greater affect at achieving length and storing energy than will 1 oz of side weight PLUS 2 ounces of top weight. Static weights still have an effect but so much less that they can ALMOST be ignored. They should be totally ignored, but for all practical purposes, with 99% of today's cores, they can be ignored, with almost no bad effects, for the average league AND professional bowler.


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Re: Possible Epiphany - Static Weight WHEN vs WHAT
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2007, 10:46:40 AM »
Not sure which, if either, I buy into, but I will say, for me, more top weight, to a point, makes the ball do more as I wanted it to than not. I don't layout a ball with a set goal in mind, but I do like more finger than thumb weight. I also see batter reaction if I have a touch more positive side weight than balanced weight.

Again, I'm probably not smart enough to start out with a ball and set it up to be a set weight (top/bottom/left/right) but do find that the static weights mean more for myself than not.

Physics is physics, it has to mean something, somewhere, either in the making of the core/cover/drill or the weights after drilling. A round object rolling is still controlled by it no matter how/what you drill holes into it, it all comes back to some level of physics, IMO.
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