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dballz

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Top weight
« on: September 29, 2008, 01:32:40 AM »
a guy ordered an uprising and it came with 1 1/2oz of tw.
this guy is a slower speed, mild revs bowler, and he wants the ball to be a down the lane and snap hard reaction.

should he send it back and get one with a higher tw, or does it not really matter?

i know that tw helps the ball to some degree get down lane, but wanted to hear some of your thoughts on this.

thanks!

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the pooh

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Re: Top weight
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 12:23:59 PM »
The ball will most likely end up with bottom weight.This will contribute to an early roll,lay off on the back kind of reaction.Not exactly what he wanted!I would try and exchange it for one with 3-4 oz top.
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hammermike2000

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Re: Top weight
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 12:30:30 PM »
Most Uprisings have lower top weights, so I'm not sure how easy it would be to get one with a higher top weight.  Besides, the difference that the higher top weight would give you, versus the lower top weight one, is minimal at best.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Top weight
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 01:19:55 PM »
Two options....send ball  back or drill a 10 inch from grip center weighthole or one as FAR as you can from grip center!

This weighthole can often increase top weight.(TEST DISTANCE FIRST WITH A PIECE OF WHITE TAPE).

I have done this a long way from grip center in the past and created a lot of backend motion simply with this step.

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dballz

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Re: Top weight
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2008, 02:17:54 PM »
KWPBA22035, i do work in a pro shop, and i did tell the gentleman that i would have ordered a ball with more tw. the thing is, he doesn't really want to hassle with sending it back. so that is why i put the post on here, because i was wanting to know if there was a way to make it work.

i do not like experimenting with someone's purchase, if i am not quite sure of the results. would rather try a drilling for myself, to see if it works 1st, instead of wasting their time/money. when i drill a ball, i care too much about wanting that person to get the best ball reaction possible.

i noticed you did not give me a suggestion either way. but i do have 2 different suggestions from 3 people. if you disagree with either one of their responses, i hope you bash or are harsh on them for not knowing too.
just playing with ya.

thank you LuckyLefty for letting me know what you have done before.
i would have never thought to try that. i may plug a ball of mine and see what kind of result that i get.

i for one acknowledge that i do not know every little trick there is to drilling bowling balls, but i am learning. that is why i come on here and ask the questions that i do. and i hope that my customers appreciate me asking, instead of thinking i know it all, and screw up the ball. i know i would if i was a customer.
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bluerrpilot

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Re: Top weight
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 02:40:29 PM »
Just use loner pin to pap and larger mb angle. Top weight is not going to matter much
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Re: Top weight
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008, 06:32:37 PM »
quote:
a guy ordered an uprising and it came with 1 1/2oz of tw.
this guy is a slower speed, mild revs bowler, and he wants the ball to be a down the lane and snap hard reaction.

should he send it back and get one with a higher tw, or does it not really matter?

i know that tw helps the ball to some degree get down lane, but wanted to hear some of your thoughts on this.

thanks!


It's a matter of degree. Yes, top and side weights help a ball to "go longer and snap harder", but it is of true significance with pancake "core" (Not a true core, but just a way to counter balance the weight removed by drilling thumb and finger holes). It is of virtually no significance with modern dynamic cores, AFAIHL. If you wound up with the maximum of 3 ounces of bottom, then I might think twice and even then, there's Lucky Lefty's method of removing side weight from the bottom half of the ball.

With 1.5 oz of top, many people remove 2 oz with drilling the 3 finger holes. That would leave 1/2 oz of bottom weight. My Cell, due to the CG being so far out of the pin-MB line, would up with 5/8 negative side weight. That sucker can make as big left turn at the backend as any ball made.

I haven't posted this in a while, but I understand that Brunswick ran a test a number of years ago (8 - 10, I think), with several of the pro PBA staff, including the likes of Parker Bohn and Johnny Petraglia. The bowlers couldn't tell the difference in ball reaction between 1 oz of positive side weight and about 5 oz of negative side weight (yes, it was illegal, but it was just a test). The dynamic core overrode static weights significantly.
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shelley

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Re: Top weight
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008, 07:22:34 PM »
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The top weight is meaningless, a few ounces vs. 240 ounces of total bowling ball (15 lb ball) weight.  That one or two ounces does not reflect any significant reaction change.  1,2,3 ounces isn't going to effect the total 240 ounces of ball and it it's overall designed reaction.


While top weight may not matter in a ball with a very strong core like the Uprising's, it's not because it's only a few ounces out of 240.

If you don't believe that a few ounces can make a difference compared to 15#, go take the small lead weights off your car's tires.  That's a difference measured in grams compared to 30+ pounds.  Just let me know if you feel like that small imbalance doesn't affect how your car drives.

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JohnP

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Re: Top weight
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2008, 10:04:32 PM »
There is a benefit to low top weight in an undrilled ball.  You can put the pin and mb almost anywhere without having to use a balance hole to make the statics legal.  --  JohnP
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